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greetings and salutations friends and

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welcome back uh we are still working on

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some strange sort of tech issues that

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have been going on

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so Gremlins have gotten in here uh but

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things are improving so uh we move

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forward I want to Welcome All of You

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you're watching truth Seekers and

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tonight we're going to go on a little

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bit of a journey I think uh because many

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people talk to me about sort of uh their

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favorite historical cases about UFOs

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from conspiracy land

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um and uh I am sort of a student of the

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history of this thing and think it's

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important

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to uh recognize that history

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because once we recognize some of the

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history of these things we start to see

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patterns and uh things coming back again

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is a very common occurrence that I see

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very very often so

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I think history is very very important

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and I noticed somebody who has been a

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staple on UFO Twitter for quite quite

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some time and his name is Jeff Knox and

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every day

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um I can look in my Twitter feed and see

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what happened today in UFO land what

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historical thing happened on this day

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uh he's a wealth of really a wealth of

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information sort of a walking

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Encyclopedia of so many different cases

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and I found his knowledge of many

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different cases to be impressive also Mr

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Knox reminded me that it's perfectly

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okay and acceptable to have an interest

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in these things to study these things

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and still be very very skeptical

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of uh some of these stories and the

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characters involved in the stories sort

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of reminded me that's okay to be that

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way uh because he tends to lean very

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skeptical towards many of the let's just

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call them less than credible stories in

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the land of UFOs or conspiracy land so

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we wanted to bring him here uh and make

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sure that we uh Avail ourselves I'm real

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big on that if you find an undervalued

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resource I learned this a long time ago

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if you find an undervalued resource uh

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take advantage of that so uh I've wanted

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to bring him here for quite some time he

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doesn't do very many interviews uh I

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think this is only one of several that

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he's ever agreed to or done so we're

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pleased and delighted to have him let's

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bring him in here Mr Jeff Knox welcome

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glad to be here like I said I haven't

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done very many so be gentle with me and

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I apologize

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or barks oh no it's okay I told you I'm

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gonna ride the mute button if I have to

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you'll be fine your dog's fine people

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are kind of used to sometimes you hear

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like uh what sounds like elephants in my

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background those are just two children

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running around my house it's fine I'm

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gonna start with what I ask everybody

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because I haven't heard your story on

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this yet but what was it that got you uh

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started down this rabbit hole because

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you seem like you went pretty Jeff went

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deep he went to the bottom of this thing

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what is it that got you started and got

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you stuck in this Rabbit Hole Mr Knox

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um well I started pretty young I think

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it was about eight years old and uh I

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believe I saw a documentary on

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television show I couldn't tell you what

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it was right now but that kind of got me

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going into reading books and then the

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early 90s started and listened to Coast

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to Coast on a regular basis yeah and it

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while like during my college Years you

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know it was just something I did on the

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background uh but for the last 15 years

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started just rereading a bunch of books

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journals and articles and research and

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doing it full time I I was fortunate

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enough to have back then put some money

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into crypto Bitcoin and was able to use

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that to spend the last 10 years just

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researching this topic okay that is the

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list of my friends I want to murder

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because I have a few friends and all of

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them told me you gotta buy You Gotta Buy

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Bitcoin Stephen I'm like no no not gonna

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and most of them are rich now so I was

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the stupid one right Google I mean I I'm

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no longer Rich that money is all all

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gone you know it's been wasted on UFOs

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if waste is the right word to use uh but

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he was able to retire pay off his house

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so it's worked out for some of us

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there's certainly a lot of grifters in

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the crypto Community oh sure you

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literally made a bunch of money on

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crypto and whatever and you said you

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know what I'm just gonna quit my job and

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just do UFOs for for now like you pretty

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I always work for myself because I I got

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disabled as a teenager I I've kind of

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hear that my back's just totally screwed

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so that's kind of why I'm laying down

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right now if you can tell uh but so I've

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always really just worked for myself

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because I haven't really the whole nine

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to five thing doesn't work with my

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migraines and when I'm sick all the time

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and so I had some just businesses I did

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and then put some of that money into

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crypto and you know and I just used it

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on UFOs and

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it's uh collected quite a bit of UFO

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material with it been all over

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investigating and yeah I'm assuming from

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your vast incredible store like you have

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everything don't you like I I have a lot

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I mean I have a lot personally that I've

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collected but I've been fortunate to

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hook up with people like that's been

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called the UFO history group people like

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Mike swords Barry Greenwood Jen Aldrich

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these folks that are the two historians

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of this field that have been doing this

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since before I was even born

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um that through them I have access to

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even more and so I try and share what I

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have access to because not everybody has

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access to the kind of material that I've

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been able to obtain through these other

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dedicated researchers in the field and

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so that's just what I've been doing I

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just started doing these posts last last

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fall because I kind of felt that

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everybody was obsessed with everything

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post 2017 like that's all everyone wants

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to talk about they want to like talk Ad

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nauseam about gimbal for five years like

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what so I thought people need to know

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that this topic goes back a long time

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and look at some of the more historical

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cases so I just started putting this

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work out and that's that's basically

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what I've been doing the last I don't

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know how many several months it is and I

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spend about eight to ten hours a day

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seven days a week doing it and uh

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hopefully people enjoy it and get some

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benefit from it well I just want to let

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you know that I enjoy going to UFO

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Twitter because you're there like you

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made it a more enjoyable thing to look

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at every day so thank you and also we

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want to thank Roderick Stubblefield for

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becoming a YouTube channel member and

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for those that don't know if you become

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a member of our Channel during live

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broadcast we give you a shout out a

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little thank you thank you Roderick

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stubberfield for becoming a member you

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got some new member benefits and a

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member badge he's helping us to praise

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and I want to uh uh expand on what you

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just said because I have a real problem

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Mr Knox with people who do not know any

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of the history I call them the 2016ers

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it appears that that New York Times

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article while good for the subject well

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some people will argue that but good for

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bringing people into interest yeah yeah

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yeah but it was bad because of all

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there's just this huge influx of people

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interested in this topic and P you know

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shows and they have no idea about the

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history of this thing previous to 2016.

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and I think that's a real detriment

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because they don't know especially the

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grifting history like if you've been

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built up like the Roswell slides or or

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who got built up as being a scientist or

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a military guy but then people look into

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their background and find out it's all

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fake and they were just selling a story

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it seems like these 2016 nerves they're

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at a disadvantage because they're they

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haven't been there for the history of

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the grifting side right exactly and you

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know that's I like to refer to like the

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UFO topic kind of like a Zombieland

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because none of these hoaxes and griffs

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you know ever die they just get rehashed

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and repeated and recycled like Dr

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Jonathan Reed is back now

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things like the Aztec hoax you know

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Silas Newton would have been dismissed a

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that people would have been done with

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secret soldiers super nonsense BS a long

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time ago you would have thought all this

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stuff you know people have been hoaxing

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and pulling griefs on this topic for 75

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years and unless you know the history

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you just fall for it all over again

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there's not a day I don't go on you for

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Twitter and I see somebody bringing up a

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case that is like a known hoax like it's

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bunk it's nonsense like and people keep

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falling for the same crap over and over

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and over again and it's really sad

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because I try and point this stuff out

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and it gives me labeled as this negative

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like a-hole you know in preparation for

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this show I went and watched when you do

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the Erica Luke's a year or two ago and

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she mentioned being on the b list well

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I'm definitely on the c or the D list

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with you know most of you for Twitter

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just because I try and approach this

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more skeptically I try and look at this

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topic you know more rationally than a

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lot of people and I'm not afraid to

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point out what I think is bunk and the

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silly aspects of the topic as not

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because I don't think this topic is

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important or worthy of study or very

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interesting I just want people to move

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on from the nonsense and to get into

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some of the better stuff that's out

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yeah wow that's I you and I totally

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agree on on that situation with the

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grifters because you know like things

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like Dr Jonathan Reed come back up and

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yeah and I was like I was floored that

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people were platforming him and he was

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just telling his story people calling

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him doctor as if the entire story wasn't

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blown to [\h__\h] in the 1990s I was there

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and he's not a doctor I was there in the

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1990s when the whole story got blown

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apart and we've got big people you know

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with huge platforms like Jimmy church

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and some other bottom feeding grifters

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like Dr J or whatever they all started

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platforming him Jimmy church was going

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to do two parts on that and then I just

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ripped that story to shreds one night

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and he didn't do the second part because

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he you know but to the new generation

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they don't know that that's a fake

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doctor they don't know that his

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education is fake his work history is

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fake he made up the story with like a

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guy that worked at his local gas station

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for a witness saying he was doing

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materials analysis on the biology of the

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alien and all it's so stupid that these

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but they do Mr Knox don't you think they

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come back over they do I I see I thought

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Jonathan Reed was well debunked and done

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like 20 years ago right yeah and then I

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saw him start to come up again about 10

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years ago and people were putting him on

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you know back then there wasn't nearly

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as many shows you know you had the radio

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shows podcast UFO miles like these days

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there's so many podcasts like you can't

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keep up with them but they started you

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know he started to come back about 10

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years ago as well and now people are

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bringing them up again when if you want

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to know all about Jonathan Reed you just

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need to go to the UFO Watchdog yeah

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which is an ancient website even the guy

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who runs it says that website's ancient

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haven't updated in 10 years but it's

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still yeah tremendous resource it's

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experience it debunks everything from

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you know the Arts Parts Linda Moulton

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Howe nonsense to the Jonathan Reed story

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and just all these other like cons and

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grifters that have shown up in UFOs over

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the year and you think would be done

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with all that but now we're still it's

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still coming up regularly it's kind of

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sad

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yeah and I just want to mention I'm not

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going to share what he wrote this is an

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aside for for me and you but there's a

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person named Jim in our live chat who

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made some statements email me any

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information you have on that please at

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truthseekershow gmail.com

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uh I would rather that you didn't make

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the kind of statements that you're

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making in the live chat unless we can

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establish proof or evidence of those

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claims those are pretty serious uh

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allegations that somebody was making so

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and and Mr Knox this 2016 uh sort of

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resurgence were you happy about that or

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were you disappointed in the effects

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that that had on this whole subject

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matter because you like me have been in

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this forever and and Knox this guy and

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me have so much in common he's an early

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Linux guy and so am I he's earlier than

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me yeah well you know I

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I was cautiously optimistic in 2016 you

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know when rumors were starting to come

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out that you know there is going to be

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big news in the next year but

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again I've seen so much in this field

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that I didn't have a whole lot of hope

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you know then they come up with a Nimitz

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video I was a bit optimistic maybe we

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might actually have something here and I

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spent you know a couple years kind of

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really digging into it you know talking

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to people you know going to SCU all this

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stuff and you know the more in the five

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years or so five six years since then

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it's just been I feel nothing but

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disappointment

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um I'm glad people have an interest in

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this topic I just think they're focusing

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their interest in the wrong places and

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putting it's it's come much more like a

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religion to a lot of these people that

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they're just waiting for this mythical

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disclosure that the government's going

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to tell them everything they want to

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know and I just I don't think that's

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gonna happen disclosure

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apparently you should see a growl when I

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mentioned Corbell

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so yeah I think that I think that most

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of that Resurgence was a detriment

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because you I don't know maybe I'm

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prejudiced but a lot of the people that

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I've seen come into this space and then

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instantly try to make money off of it

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and they don't know the history they're

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in denial or they're in denial or it's

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convenient for them to deny the grifter

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side of the history of this thing and

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just go all in believer and uh I I don't

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I don't know I I don't like that myself

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yeah it's I'm not a big fan of that

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either I think uh and part of it is just

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how they approach the rest of the topic

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like there's a great deal of disrespect

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and rudeness from this new crowd to

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people that have actually been

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investigating this for decades you know

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when 2017 first came around I heard all

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these people talking about well all the

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old ufologists are just jealous that

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they're not in the media right now

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they're not big time celebrities because

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there's like UFO celebrities that's the

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most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of

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the sad thing is that people that get

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famous on this topic are the people that

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promote the bunk that the grifters are

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the ones out there making money they're

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the core Bells the Naps Linda modern

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house was the the you know Corey Goods

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David Wilcox these are the guys that get

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famous and make a lot of money where the

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best researchers in this field are

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completely unknown to most of the people

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that are interested in this topic oh I

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agree with you 100 and some of the

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people you know people ask me people ask

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me like what about the credible

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researchers and I can name some but you

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got to really look for them like and

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they're very obscure they're just off in

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their interest like like you Mr Knox

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doing your thing and you're not these

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guys oh here let me solo you go ahead

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hold that up Barry Greenwoods the mic

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swords the Jan aldricks you know the you

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know Robert Powell Vincent bowster

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almost I think he's one almost I think

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it's one of the best researchers that's

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been on this topic 50 years or more now

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and these are guys that most people

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don't know about they just know about

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what they see on Ancient Aliens or you

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know History Channel or you know people

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like korbel's podcast and and the more

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recent military military witnesses that

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have made a career out of this topic and

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they just completely ignore and some of

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them not just ignore it they say

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nothing's happened in 70 years no

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progress has ever been made no good

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research has been done until now it's

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like

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that's just false that's just patently

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false and ridiculous and it's silly I

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mean I don't understand why people

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personally

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just want to obsess about this recent

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stuff when there's so much to this topic

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and this topic is interesting for so

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many different ways and you know we

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don't we don't have to think the same

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things or agree but we can still get

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along and discuss this topic and

448
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unfortunately the people that do take

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this topic seriously are either ignored

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or outright ridiculed or attacked by the

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new generation I don't mind silly stuff

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if they were respectful to the older

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people and the people that have been

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studying this longer as well I mean but

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they're not they're just they're rude

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and I I agree with you and I also think

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like you know some people a lot of

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people get angry with me Mr Knox and and

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I I try to remind people that I have an

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intense interest in this subject that's

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been lifelong

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I just don't want to waste time on

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nonsense so if something is fake I want

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to know about it as quickly as possible

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so I can put in my black bin and never

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never deal with it again and go on to my

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gray bin or my never investigate it then

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it just exactly do you are you upset

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people get upset from you know how many

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people are mad at me for debunking

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Angeli's story that Anjali lady like did

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you want to just continue to believe her

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if her whole story was fake and waste a

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lot of time on her or did you want to

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know the truth and move on if I want to

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know the truth and move on you know and

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if you can get to it

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yeah I mean it's I mean I was called

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again a pseudoskeptic a debunker you

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know people tell me I'm too negative all

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the time that I should just shut up and

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not share any personal thoughts on

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things and just do my history post I'm

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not allowed to have opinions on

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bad behavior or grifters or those are

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the posts I like the most don't stop

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that right and ironically those are the

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posts that get the most engagement I can

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make an off-handed five second tweet

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about say Corbell and get like 20 000

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views and more retweets talking crap

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about me that all my history posts an

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entire month will get combined

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and I don't even expect anyone to read

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those other tweets like but those are

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the ones that people seem to just get

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angry about and you know just like you

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get a lot of grief about but it's not

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because I'm saying this topic is just

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total nonsense it's because like you I

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think we need to move past the stuff

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that is demonstrably nonsense so we can

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look at better stuff or you know open up

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time to look at new stuff that comes in

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instead people just want to dig into the

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case that they obsess about and refuse

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to update their belief system and that's

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that's not beneficial to this topic and

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it's not going to help things progress

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forward so well we agree on these things

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and I I wanted to get started with the

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you know when we get into the history of

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this thing there's just an incredibly

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long history and more than modern times

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the are you aware of I'm sure you're

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aware of like ezekiel's wheel and the

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modest stories and other stuff in

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ancient texts that may seem to indicate

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that this phenomenon has been with us

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as long as humans have been here on on

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planet Earth right yeah um

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I'll start by saying I think first of

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all there's always going to be

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unidentified things in the sky people

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since people have existed I've seen

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things they could not explain the

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question is what that is I will point

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out I think it's almost kind of

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problematic to start attaching our

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modern views of UFOs and our beliefs and

531
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trying to reinterpret the Past like you

532
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see people go and look at like rock

533
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garden so that's clearly an alien coming

534
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down in a space sorry that's freaking

535
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[\h__\h] if I can say that's that's

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nonsense like and I don't think it's

537
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appropriate to try to reinterpret say

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indigenous people's beliefs and what

539
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they were doing under your modern belief

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system that UFOs are aliens like and

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thank you my flock is everywhere for

542
00:23:31,210 --> 00:23:29,580
helping us to praise the cash we

543
00:23:33,730 --> 00:23:31,220
appreciate that

544
00:23:36,110 --> 00:23:33,740
get that money I think you're right this

545
00:23:38,810 --> 00:23:36,120
reinterpretation it's like the this

546
00:23:41,870 --> 00:23:38,820
whole ancient alien theory that became

547
00:23:43,909 --> 00:23:41,880
hugely popular you know you got to

548
00:23:46,070 --> 00:23:43,919
connect a lot of dots and you have to

549
00:23:48,649 --> 00:23:46,080
fill in a lot of blanks to believe all

550
00:23:51,950 --> 00:23:48,659
of that and I'm just not there I was

551
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:51,960
when I first read I I was young and I

552
00:23:56,390 --> 00:23:54,240
read Chariots of the Gods and I was like

553
00:23:58,490 --> 00:23:56,400
a disgruntled Catholic kid

554
00:23:59,990 --> 00:23:58,500
that had too many questions then the

555
00:24:02,090 --> 00:24:00,000
priests never wanted to answer my

556
00:24:04,850 --> 00:24:02,100
questions and the reason that's so

557
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,860
enticing is because it's like well this

558
00:24:09,289 --> 00:24:06,720
answers everything like all my questions

559
00:24:11,690 --> 00:24:09,299
are answered like God's not a spiritual

560
00:24:13,669 --> 00:24:11,700
being he was a flesh and blood alien

561
00:24:16,669 --> 00:24:13,679
that came here and tinkered with our DNA

562
00:24:18,890 --> 00:24:16,679
and it's very enticing to to think that

563
00:24:21,529 --> 00:24:18,900
you have all the answers that you've

564
00:24:23,870 --> 00:24:21,539
always wanted now too well that's kind

565
00:24:26,390 --> 00:24:23,880
of how conspiracy theory in general

566
00:24:27,950 --> 00:24:26,400
works like people compared conspiracy

567
00:24:29,690 --> 00:24:27,960
theories appeal to people because they

568
00:24:31,190 --> 00:24:29,700
provide they provide answers they

569
00:24:32,810 --> 00:24:31,200
provide a simplistic narrative for

570
00:24:35,810 --> 00:24:32,820
something that usually isn't simplistic

571
00:24:37,730 --> 00:24:35,820
like it allows them to get a grasp on

572
00:24:40,669 --> 00:24:37,740
something and it's comforting to them

573
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:40,679
it's a support system for them and

574
00:24:47,149 --> 00:24:44,159
people enjoy that but the the problem is

575
00:24:48,950 --> 00:24:47,159
they take it to extremes and you know

576
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:48,960
they they turn it into almost like this

577
00:24:53,330 --> 00:24:51,419
new religious system and in fact the new

578
00:24:54,950 --> 00:24:53,340
religious aspect of UFOs is one of the

579
00:24:57,470 --> 00:24:54,960
most probably academically studied

580
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:57,480
aspects of this entire topic it you know

581
00:25:02,510 --> 00:24:59,880
I've got plenty of books all about UFO

582
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:02,520
religions like on my shelves and and

583
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:04,080
that's when it starts to get get

584
00:25:08,750 --> 00:25:07,440
dangerous but but people people have you

585
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:08,760
know there's always been things in the

586
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:11,039
past you know that is you know back in

587
00:25:14,690 --> 00:25:13,080
the Roman days you know they would talk

588
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,700
about it typically in the forms of like

589
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:16,559
military armaments and shields flying

590
00:25:23,510 --> 00:25:19,679
Spears chariots in Disguise you know uh

591
00:25:25,370 --> 00:25:23,520
the the store in Josephus in 65 A.D or

592
00:25:27,350 --> 00:25:25,380
Judea talked about probably the most

593
00:25:28,970 --> 00:25:27,360
famous Sky Army case where they saw

594
00:25:30,649 --> 00:25:28,980
these chariots and armies in the sky

595
00:25:32,630 --> 00:25:30,659
like going across

596
00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:32,640
and but the more you look at some of

597
00:25:37,630 --> 00:25:34,640
these past like

598
00:25:40,909 --> 00:25:37,640
past cases that people consider UFOs

599
00:25:42,769 --> 00:25:40,919
they they tend to be fairly similar to

600
00:25:44,750 --> 00:25:42,779
what people say about Nat talk about now

601
00:25:47,470 --> 00:25:44,760
but they're also easily explainable as

602
00:25:50,269 --> 00:25:47,480
things like bow lies auroras Sun dogs

603
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,279
various you know astronomical or

604
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:52,080
meteorological phenomena

605
00:25:56,690 --> 00:25:53,840
and

606
00:25:59,450 --> 00:25:56,700
you know Ancient Aliens is something

607
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,460
that really took up this idea that all

608
00:26:03,470 --> 00:26:01,039
these things that happened in the past

609
00:26:06,289 --> 00:26:03,480
are actually you know space aliens

610
00:26:07,549 --> 00:26:06,299
visiting us and that's kind of silly I I

611
00:26:09,890 --> 00:26:07,559
would recommend to people actually

612
00:26:12,289 --> 00:26:09,900
believe Ancient Aliens stuff which

613
00:26:15,470 --> 00:26:12,299
hopefully they don't instead of reading

614
00:26:17,210 --> 00:26:15,480
uh whatever mandoniken's book was tears

615
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:17,220
of the Gods go read crash of the

616
00:26:21,070 --> 00:26:19,380
Chariots I Believe by Chris Clifford

617
00:26:25,430 --> 00:26:21,080
Wilson

618
00:26:28,010 --> 00:26:25,440
Ronald story's book uh the gods are

619
00:26:29,810 --> 00:26:28,020
revealed or something like that

620
00:26:32,510 --> 00:26:29,820
um yeah and it sort of picks apart all

621
00:26:34,010 --> 00:26:32,520
of the all of the talking points or you

622
00:26:35,510 --> 00:26:34,020
can just go watch a great three

623
00:26:37,669 --> 00:26:35,520
something hour documentary called

624
00:26:39,950 --> 00:26:37,679
Ancient Aliens debunked which is kind of

625
00:26:41,510 --> 00:26:39,960
put a lot of that stuff you know to bet

626
00:26:42,890 --> 00:26:41,520
a long time ago I'll tell you my older

627
00:26:45,470 --> 00:26:42,900
brother used to be obsessed with show

628
00:26:47,810 --> 00:26:45,480
agent aliens and he's kind of he's got

629
00:26:49,370 --> 00:26:47,820
Asperger's kind of OCD when he gets into

630
00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:49,380
something he becomes super obsessed

631
00:26:54,649 --> 00:26:52,860
about it well he used to have me put the

632
00:26:56,990 --> 00:26:54,659
shows on to him every time he would come

633
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:57,000
over to you know visit my mother it took

634
00:27:00,470 --> 00:26:58,799
it only took him one watch of Ancient

635
00:27:03,049 --> 00:27:00,480
Aliens debunked to decide it was all

636
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,059
nonsense so yeah no you're right that's

637
00:27:07,669 --> 00:27:05,520
a great great that can watch something

638
00:27:10,070 --> 00:27:07,679
like that and realize it's bunk some

639
00:27:11,630 --> 00:27:10,080
people you know I get in with Ancient

640
00:27:13,010 --> 00:27:11,640
Aliens related topics on people online

641
00:27:16,370 --> 00:27:13,020
because I have a big interest in

642
00:27:18,590 --> 00:27:16,380
archeology and anthropology as well uh

643
00:27:20,390 --> 00:27:18,600
and some people can watch these

644
00:27:22,130 --> 00:27:20,400
debunkings and just come up with all

645
00:27:24,289 --> 00:27:22,140
sorts of new justifications as to why

646
00:27:26,990 --> 00:27:24,299
they're not good and metal gymnastics

647
00:27:28,190 --> 00:27:27,000
yeah yeah and but there are there are at

648
00:27:29,870 --> 00:27:28,200
least a few people that you can show

649
00:27:32,390 --> 00:27:29,880
them the evidence that something's bunk

650
00:27:33,950 --> 00:27:32,400
and they can accept it and move on and

651
00:27:36,950 --> 00:27:33,960
that's all I'm trying to do like I'm not

652
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,960
trying to be negative if and honestly

653
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,700
people act like I'm angry all the time

654
00:27:42,769 --> 00:27:40,799
like I actually don't really get very

655
00:27:44,810 --> 00:27:42,779
emotional about this topic I might get

656
00:27:47,210 --> 00:27:44,820
happier laugh but like I don't really

657
00:27:48,649 --> 00:27:47,220
get pissed off or angry about this and I

658
00:27:50,570 --> 00:27:48,659
honestly personally don't understand why

659
00:27:52,730 --> 00:27:50,580
people do get so angry and mad and this

660
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:52,740
topic like they act like it's a personal

661
00:27:58,190 --> 00:27:55,559
insult to them to tell them that babazar

662
00:28:01,669 --> 00:27:58,200
is full of crap like why why do you get

663
00:28:03,110 --> 00:28:01,679
mad about them yeah yeah I've I've

664
00:28:04,250 --> 00:28:03,120
angered an awful lot of people

665
00:28:06,470 --> 00:28:04,260
especially with some of the

666
00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:06,480
investigative stuff that we've done it's

667
00:28:11,390 --> 00:28:09,480
like well if you know if the guy's not a

668
00:28:13,789 --> 00:28:11,400
real scientist and he's a convicted pimp

669
00:28:16,610 --> 00:28:13,799
you know I I don't trust convicted pimps

670
00:28:18,890 --> 00:28:16,620
I want to know that like I don't but

671
00:28:21,890 --> 00:28:18,900
I'll tell you what Mr Knox I grew up

672
00:28:23,630 --> 00:28:21,900
with that story I bought the VHS tape

673
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,640
from the back of a Science magazine I

674
00:28:30,049 --> 00:28:25,440
think it was popular science wait you

675
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:30,059
mean made money on his story yeah yeah

676
00:28:34,310 --> 00:28:32,159
oh no he never made a dime and I bought

677
00:28:36,169 --> 00:28:34,320
them the testers model not once but

678
00:28:37,970 --> 00:28:36,179
twice because I think my brother and I

679
00:28:40,669 --> 00:28:37,980
were horsing around and fell off a shelf

680
00:28:42,950 --> 00:28:40,679
and broke and it was irreparable so I

681
00:28:44,810 --> 00:28:42,960
bought a second one you know like I

682
00:28:46,850 --> 00:28:44,820
always wanted that story to be true I

683
00:28:49,070 --> 00:28:46,860
saw something myself as a child and when

684
00:28:51,710 --> 00:28:49,080
I heard about Bob Lazar I was like okay

685
00:28:54,049 --> 00:28:51,720
well what I always say aliens then it's

686
00:28:55,370 --> 00:28:54,059
all true you know uh it wasn't until

687
00:28:56,930 --> 00:28:55,380
years later when I started really

688
00:28:59,269 --> 00:28:56,940
digging in the story

689
00:29:02,049 --> 00:28:59,279
they want you to just take the surface

690
00:29:04,730 --> 00:29:02,059
Glimpse you know yeah

691
00:29:06,350 --> 00:29:04,740
while bizarre people they they don't

692
00:29:08,450 --> 00:29:06,360
even know Bob's story or what he's

693
00:29:10,610 --> 00:29:08,460
claimed in the past like they basically

694
00:29:12,409 --> 00:29:10,620
only know the simplistic narrative that

695
00:29:14,690 --> 00:29:12,419
like corbella Knapp has been telling

696
00:29:16,610 --> 00:29:14,700
them like over the years like they don't

697
00:29:18,769 --> 00:29:16,620
actually even know the story of Bob

698
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:18,779
bazaar's own claims like you can come

699
00:29:22,430 --> 00:29:20,580
with them with stuff Bob Lazar himself

700
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:22,440
has said and they'll call you a liar and

701
00:29:27,049 --> 00:29:25,080
it's like really why don't you go to his

702
00:29:28,970 --> 00:29:27,059
own book or go listen to him in this

703
00:29:30,769 --> 00:29:28,980
thing like it's like you don't even know

704
00:29:33,710 --> 00:29:30,779
the Own Story you're trying to argue for

705
00:29:35,389 --> 00:29:33,720
and you're coming at me you know it's

706
00:29:36,950 --> 00:29:35,399
and as you know I spent a lot of time

707
00:29:39,409 --> 00:29:36,960
involves a lot of time and a lot of

708
00:29:40,909 --> 00:29:39,419
money I spent almost two years traveling

709
00:29:43,850 --> 00:29:40,919
around the US investigating was our

710
00:29:45,289 --> 00:29:43,860
story and his claims and and then I've

711
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:45,299
seen the amount of money that I'll never

712
00:29:51,710 --> 00:29:49,200
get back but uh

713
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:51,720
yeah there's just people obsessed over

714
00:29:56,510 --> 00:29:54,600
these silly these silly things and

715
00:29:58,490 --> 00:29:56,520
I don't think it's negative to point out

716
00:30:00,769 --> 00:29:58,500
that they're bunk like I think it's

717
00:30:03,710 --> 00:30:00,779
important I think people need to move on

718
00:30:05,570 --> 00:30:03,720
you know when I when not only did 2017

719
00:30:08,149 --> 00:30:05,580
bring in a bunch of people's topic okay

720
00:30:10,430 --> 00:30:08,159
so I was at the corbels Lazar film from

721
00:30:13,430 --> 00:30:10,440
here in LA and met a lot of young people

722
00:30:16,010 --> 00:30:13,440
there and and they started to talk to me

723
00:30:17,510 --> 00:30:16,020
about like UFOs like they didn't know I

724
00:30:19,010 --> 00:30:17,520
you know how much research they've done

725
00:30:21,950 --> 00:30:19,020
or how much of an interest on this topic

726
00:30:24,049 --> 00:30:21,960
until like man did you hear what Corey

727
00:30:25,490 --> 00:30:24,059
Goode said or do you hear about these

728
00:30:28,430 --> 00:30:25,500
secret space programs or did you watch

729
00:30:30,049 --> 00:30:28,440
the new secure team 10 video like it was

730
00:30:31,970 --> 00:30:30,059
like yeah okay so you bring in a lot of

731
00:30:34,010 --> 00:30:31,980
people and corbels are from did bring a

732
00:30:37,010 --> 00:30:34,020
lot of people into this topic as well as

733
00:30:39,409 --> 00:30:37,020
the 2017 stuff but you're bringing in

734
00:30:41,029 --> 00:30:39,419
these people without critical thinking

735
00:30:43,250 --> 00:30:41,039
skills that are just accepting

736
00:30:45,350 --> 00:30:43,260
everything they hear yeah and under

737
00:30:48,370 --> 00:30:45,360
false pretenses you're telling them a

738
00:30:51,110 --> 00:30:48,380
fake story to get them involved yeah

739
00:30:52,789 --> 00:30:51,120
the story just how many times do they

740
00:30:55,430 --> 00:30:52,799
need to get caught selling fake stories

741
00:30:57,169 --> 00:30:55,440
like like how many times does Third

742
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:57,179
phase or secure team or all these guys

743
00:31:02,149 --> 00:30:59,460
need to get caught hoaxing things like

744
00:31:04,730 --> 00:31:02,159
before you stop listening to them I'm

745
00:31:07,070 --> 00:31:04,740
amazed at that one Mr Knox you know I

746
00:31:08,590 --> 00:31:07,080
put out these two documentaries one of

747
00:31:12,169 --> 00:31:08,600
which I made in another one another

748
00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:12,179
researcher made and you know I I knew it

749
00:31:16,370 --> 00:31:14,640
wasn't gonna destroy their careers or

750
00:31:18,889 --> 00:31:16,380
anything but you know especially the

751
00:31:21,289 --> 00:31:18,899
people working for them being their

752
00:31:23,149 --> 00:31:21,299
Watchdogs defending them you know

753
00:31:26,149 --> 00:31:23,159
attacking people for saying that they

754
00:31:28,310 --> 00:31:26,159
hoax things you know and at some point I

755
00:31:30,649 --> 00:31:28,320
kind of have said to myself trying to

756
00:31:33,649 --> 00:31:30,659
argue with any of these people on the

757
00:31:35,149 --> 00:31:33,659
pros Pro third phase of moonside you

758
00:31:37,549 --> 00:31:35,159
know it's like trying to argue with

759
00:31:40,610 --> 00:31:37,559
somebody who says water's not wet like

760
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:40,620
they have such a history of hoaxing

761
00:31:44,269 --> 00:31:42,720
things faking things and then they come

762
00:31:46,010 --> 00:31:44,279
out with these fake talking points like

763
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:46,020
we haven't hoaxed anything in five years

764
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,000
and then you catch them in the five-year

765
00:31:51,529 --> 00:31:50,399
window so then the Defenders move the

766
00:31:53,210 --> 00:31:51,539
goal post and said well they haven't

767
00:31:55,190 --> 00:31:53,220
hosted anything in three years for sure

768
00:31:58,730 --> 00:31:55,200
and then we catch them in the three-year

769
00:32:01,130 --> 00:31:58,740
window now we're up to 2021 so now

770
00:32:04,070 --> 00:32:01,140
they're up to the last two years and we

771
00:32:07,850 --> 00:32:04,080
have that one case where we talk to the

772
00:32:10,010 --> 00:32:07,860
hoaxer he send them the video he showed

773
00:32:12,710 --> 00:32:10,020
them how he made it he's talking about

774
00:32:14,930 --> 00:32:12,720
it with Rich from goofan and Rich from

775
00:32:16,610 --> 00:32:14,940
goofan confirms third face told him that

776
00:32:18,169 --> 00:32:16,620
video was fake and how it was faked

777
00:32:20,090 --> 00:32:18,179
thanks for letting me know you're the

778
00:32:21,950 --> 00:32:20,100
one who made the video a couple days

779
00:32:24,350 --> 00:32:21,960
later they post the video pretending

780
00:32:27,289 --> 00:32:24,360
it's a spaceship but that they they

781
00:32:29,870 --> 00:32:27,299
somehow think that's not a hoax like all

782
00:32:32,149 --> 00:32:29,880
that's required is deception yeah I mean

783
00:32:34,310 --> 00:32:32,159
they knew it was fake they were told it

784
00:32:37,610 --> 00:32:34,320
was fake they used it anyway that's a

785
00:32:39,950 --> 00:32:37,620
hoax you hoaxed in 2021 so all the

786
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:39,960
Talking Points fall apart you haven't

787
00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:42,480
changed you've changed they stopped

788
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:44,760
using CGI that's another one of their

789
00:32:49,370 --> 00:32:47,580
talking points like well we're not we do

790
00:32:51,830 --> 00:32:49,380
we don't accept things that are that are

791
00:32:54,710 --> 00:32:51,840
CGI because they used to just everything

792
00:32:57,230 --> 00:32:54,720
with CGI and that was a big criticism so

793
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:57,240
now they changed and won't use CGI but

794
00:33:01,669 --> 00:32:58,980
they're using other hoaxing methods

795
00:33:03,590 --> 00:33:01,679
other ways of Faking the UFO you're

796
00:33:05,750 --> 00:33:03,600
still a hoaxer you don't get extra

797
00:33:07,970 --> 00:33:05,760
points for changing the method that

798
00:33:09,529 --> 00:33:07,980
you're using to hoax you know it's

799
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:09,539
ridiculous and that's the thing is

800
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,720
they're not all necessarily CGI or just

801
00:33:16,970 --> 00:33:14,880
complete Fabrications people are putting

802
00:33:19,490 --> 00:33:16,980
out stuff that they know are being

803
00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:19,500
misidentified like it's a bird or it's a

804
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:21,419
plane or it's a balloon or stuff that

805
00:33:26,049 --> 00:33:24,179
they know is just not an anomalous UFO

806
00:33:28,850 --> 00:33:26,059
yeah

807
00:33:30,470 --> 00:33:28,860
the same excuse they're gonna they're

808
00:33:32,210 --> 00:33:30,480
gonna pretend that they don't know

809
00:33:34,810 --> 00:33:32,220
they've been studying UFOs for four

810
00:33:37,130 --> 00:33:34,820
years they don't know what a rocket Plus

811
00:33:38,210 --> 00:33:37,140
I'm just putting it out there I'm just

812
00:33:39,710 --> 00:33:38,220
putting it out there for people to

813
00:33:42,710 --> 00:33:39,720
decide for themselves like I'm not

814
00:33:44,330 --> 00:33:42,720
saying oh yeah like that's the same grip

815
00:33:47,149 --> 00:33:44,340
they've been pulling since the beginning

816
00:33:49,190 --> 00:33:47,159
like you do know it's not a UFO you're

817
00:33:50,930 --> 00:33:49,200
being dishonest and you're manipulating

818
00:33:53,889 --> 00:33:50,940
people and you see the same thing on

819
00:33:56,450 --> 00:33:53,899
your Twitter all day you've got these

820
00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:56,460
just and they're not even just new

821
00:34:01,490 --> 00:33:58,980
videos they're recycling the same old

822
00:34:03,830 --> 00:34:01,500
bunk videos from 10 years ago five years

823
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,840
ago a long time ago presenting them as

824
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:05,760
their brand new putting like a recent

825
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,280
date on it saying this was just you know

826
00:34:11,869 --> 00:34:10,500
recorded like check this out like and

827
00:34:14,810 --> 00:34:11,879
then you gotta have great people out

828
00:34:16,250 --> 00:34:14,820
there like UFOs of Interest I was just

829
00:34:18,050 --> 00:34:16,260
gonna mention him I love that guy

830
00:34:20,270 --> 00:34:18,060
because people think that is on the ball

831
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,280
you know reminding people like if

832
00:34:26,030 --> 00:34:22,560
somebody posts a fake he's like no no

833
00:34:28,669 --> 00:34:26,040
this was from 1999 and and this was a

834
00:34:30,530 --> 00:34:28,679
hoax and here's my story on it he knows

835
00:34:33,169 --> 00:34:30,540
all of the fakes like the back of his

836
00:34:35,329 --> 00:34:33,179
hand and you know what gets me is that

837
00:34:37,070 --> 00:34:35,339
those people there are some people UFO

838
00:34:38,990 --> 00:34:37,080
Twitter that just keep posting fake

839
00:34:40,669 --> 00:34:39,000
videos no matter how many times people

840
00:34:42,829 --> 00:34:40,679
keep busting you would think that they

841
00:34:45,770 --> 00:34:42,839
would like back off a little bit and say

842
00:34:47,089 --> 00:34:45,780
maybe I gotta do some research before I

843
00:34:50,089 --> 00:34:47,099
post something so I don't get

844
00:34:52,550 --> 00:34:50,099
embarrassed by these people who know the

845
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:52,560
hoaxes so well or know the topic so well

846
00:34:57,349 --> 00:34:55,020
they know the fakes no they just keep

847
00:34:58,130 --> 00:34:57,359
posting fake after fake after fake every

848
00:35:03,349 --> 00:34:58,140
day

849
00:35:05,210 --> 00:35:03,359
certain pretty large year of our Twitter

850
00:35:08,329 --> 00:35:05,220
account with almost 40 000 viewers put

851
00:35:10,670 --> 00:35:08,339
out this new clearly fake CG video that

852
00:35:12,710 --> 00:35:10,680
they claimed was the the original gimbal

853
00:35:14,290 --> 00:35:12,720
unedited like or that it could be the

854
00:35:16,849 --> 00:35:14,300
original gimbal what do you guys think

855
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:16,859
and that's problematic to me when you

856
00:35:20,750 --> 00:35:18,900
have such a large following and you're

857
00:35:22,910 --> 00:35:20,760
not putting any critical thought into

858
00:35:24,770 --> 00:35:22,920
the videos you're putting out there and

859
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:24,780
presenting them as maybe potentially

860
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:26,099
being real

861
00:35:32,750 --> 00:35:28,680
but you see it every single day on

862
00:35:34,490 --> 00:35:32,760
Twitter it's it's sad yeah and also you

863
00:35:36,290 --> 00:35:34,500
know people don't realize the damage

864
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,300
that you're doing when you put these

865
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:38,160
fake things out because it's not just

866
00:35:43,490 --> 00:35:40,380
for right now that there's fake

867
00:35:45,650 --> 00:35:43,500
disinformation being put out you know uh

868
00:35:47,569 --> 00:35:45,660
UFO of interest just did a story of

869
00:35:50,990 --> 00:35:47,579
another YouTube channel that's recycling

870
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:51,000
all of the old third phase of moon early

871
00:35:57,710 --> 00:35:55,020
videos that were all CGI all fake all

872
00:36:01,250 --> 00:35:57,720
made with models or Star Wars toys and a

873
00:36:03,589 --> 00:36:01,260
green screen somebody got he somehow got

874
00:36:05,630 --> 00:36:03,599
a hold of all their early videos and he

875
00:36:07,849 --> 00:36:05,640
keeps posting them as if they were like

876
00:36:10,310 --> 00:36:07,859
you said oh this was filmed last week in

877
00:36:11,690 --> 00:36:10,320
Guatemala no it wasn't third phase said

878
00:36:13,849 --> 00:36:11,700
it was filmed somewhere else it was

879
00:36:16,490 --> 00:36:13,859
filmed in Hawaii we could prove that and

880
00:36:18,950 --> 00:36:16,500
and this was a hoax you know 12 years

881
00:36:22,069 --> 00:36:18,960
ago and it's still a hoax so these

882
00:36:24,589 --> 00:36:22,079
things have more damage like third phase

883
00:36:27,050 --> 00:36:24,599
of moon has done more damage than just

884
00:36:29,569 --> 00:36:27,060
right now like even if they did 100

885
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:29,579
percent stop faking things which I don't

886
00:36:34,250 --> 00:36:32,040
believe they have they still have that

887
00:36:36,109 --> 00:36:34,260
entire catalog of garbage that they put

888
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:36,119
into the community that nail people are

889
00:36:41,810 --> 00:36:38,880
taking and Recycling and disinforming

890
00:36:43,370 --> 00:36:41,820
even more people with garbage fake fake

891
00:36:44,810 --> 00:36:43,380
information

892
00:36:47,270 --> 00:36:44,820
it's a

893
00:36:49,069 --> 00:36:47,280
you know people talk about you know the

894
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,079
the stigma and trying to destigmatize

895
00:36:53,510 --> 00:36:51,420
this topic and they like to put the

896
00:36:55,250 --> 00:36:53,520
blame on anybody that shows you know

897
00:36:56,870 --> 00:36:55,260
some critical thinking skills or a

898
00:36:59,270 --> 00:36:56,880
slight bit of skepticism as being the

899
00:37:01,609 --> 00:36:59,280
ones causing the stigma no the stigma

900
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:01,619
comes from within the community it's the

901
00:37:07,609 --> 00:37:04,020
people that continuously post ridiculous

902
00:37:08,930 --> 00:37:07,619
CGI hoax and other fake videos I'm going

903
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,940
to continue to put out these

904
00:37:14,150 --> 00:37:11,280
ridiculously absurd stories and silly

905
00:37:16,609 --> 00:37:14,160
nonsense that is what causes the stigma

906
00:37:19,910 --> 00:37:16,619
and you can keep changing the acronym

907
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:19,920
you want to use UFO uao UAP you can

908
00:37:24,589 --> 00:37:22,680
change what UAP means like to reduce the

909
00:37:26,510 --> 00:37:24,599
stigma that's not going to have any

910
00:37:28,550 --> 00:37:26,520
effect until you change the way the

911
00:37:30,410 --> 00:37:28,560
community acts and they stop putting out

912
00:37:33,230 --> 00:37:30,420
all the silly nonsense that causes some

913
00:37:35,930 --> 00:37:33,240
stigma in the first place and it's I

914
00:37:38,270 --> 00:37:35,940
agree with you 100 and it was damaging

915
00:37:42,290 --> 00:37:38,280
and yeah it's like everybody attacking

916
00:37:45,349 --> 00:37:42,300
Mick West like hey dude don't don't yeah

917
00:37:47,750 --> 00:37:45,359
he's awesome don't complain about it yes

918
00:37:49,370 --> 00:37:47,760
get better evidence stop complaining and

919
00:37:52,550 --> 00:37:49,380
get better evidence don't you want to

920
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:52,560
know it's fake no oh Mick West oh he's

921
00:37:56,270 --> 00:37:54,420
just doing honestly what any UFO

922
00:37:57,710 --> 00:37:56,280
investigator should do any move on field

923
00:37:59,569 --> 00:37:57,720
investigator should be doing the exact

924
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:59,579
same stuff well they all skip his step

925
00:38:03,470 --> 00:38:01,680
they all skip that first step which is

926
00:38:06,050 --> 00:38:03,480
trying to identify if it's actually

927
00:38:08,210 --> 00:38:06,060
anything extraordinary or not they skip

928
00:38:10,250 --> 00:38:08,220
that step and they go right to it I'm

929
00:38:12,109 --> 00:38:10,260
not saying it's aliens but it's aliens

930
00:38:14,270 --> 00:38:12,119
you know they start with this assumption

931
00:38:16,310 --> 00:38:14,280
and then they label you as being biased

932
00:38:17,930 --> 00:38:16,320
or closed-minded or afraid of the truth

933
00:38:20,390 --> 00:38:17,940
like because you don't automatically

934
00:38:22,490 --> 00:38:20,400
assume that maybe it is aliens or you

935
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:22,500
know some Sensational like outcome like

936
00:38:26,510 --> 00:38:24,480
like that's not you shouldn't be

937
00:38:28,849 --> 00:38:26,520
starting off with that kind of belief

938
00:38:31,490 --> 00:38:28,859
like it's up to you to prove that that's

939
00:38:33,050 --> 00:38:31,500
the case you're not being biased by you

940
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:33,060
know not starting off with the

941
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:35,040
assumption that maybe it is aliens like

942
00:38:38,569 --> 00:38:36,480
your first step should be trying to look

943
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:38,579
for Passaic explanations to explain a

944
00:38:43,849 --> 00:38:41,760
case that's what I mean if I if I see

945
00:38:46,849 --> 00:38:43,859
something I I have this cabin in the

946
00:38:48,589 --> 00:38:46,859
wilderness and it's very very high up in

947
00:38:51,170 --> 00:38:48,599
the mountains and there's no light

948
00:38:53,150 --> 00:38:51,180
pollution so therefore we see a lot of

949
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:53,160
strange things in the sky but I have to

950
00:38:57,650 --> 00:38:55,440
have a satellite tracking app I have to

951
00:39:01,370 --> 00:38:57,660
have a telescope I have to have a

952
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:01,380
stellarium to identify if it's a if it's

953
00:39:07,069 --> 00:39:04,320
a planetary body or a star or meteors or

954
00:39:10,010 --> 00:39:07,079
whatever it could be comets you have to

955
00:39:12,770 --> 00:39:10,020
eliminate all of the prosaic or ordinary

956
00:39:14,930 --> 00:39:12,780
explanations first before I get even a

957
00:39:17,630 --> 00:39:14,940
little bit excited up there and it's

958
00:39:19,370 --> 00:39:17,640
easy to get excited when you see some of

959
00:39:21,650 --> 00:39:19,380
the stuff and maybe it's the atmosphere

960
00:39:24,410 --> 00:39:21,660
or the High Altitude but some stuff

961
00:39:25,990 --> 00:39:24,420
seems really not ordinary when you first

962
00:39:28,910 --> 00:39:26,000
look at it

963
00:39:31,190 --> 00:39:28,920
absolutely you know and in the the last

964
00:39:33,109 --> 00:39:31,200
10 years I've spent a lot of time on the

965
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:33,119
road and I usually like to drive at

966
00:39:36,170 --> 00:39:34,980
night like I'm just a night person you

967
00:39:39,770 --> 00:39:36,180
guys have probably noticed that from

968
00:39:42,109 --> 00:39:39,780
when I tweet uh me too so I spent tens

969
00:39:43,970 --> 00:39:42,119
of thousands of hours just not just

970
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:43,980
watching Sky when I Jive but just out in

971
00:39:47,510 --> 00:39:45,480
the middle of the desert watching this

972
00:39:49,130 --> 00:39:47,520
guy and I've seen a lot of things that

973
00:39:50,690 --> 00:39:49,140
look strange to this day I still

974
00:39:53,329 --> 00:39:50,700
occasionally see things that look

975
00:39:54,950 --> 00:39:53,339
strange to me I mean I just did a tweet

976
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:54,960
a few weeks ago back when the whole

977
00:39:58,190 --> 00:39:57,180
Jupiter Venus thing was going on you

978
00:40:00,770 --> 00:39:58,200
know I was driving home in the grocery

979
00:40:02,810 --> 00:40:00,780
store and and saw some of this guy that

980
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:02,820
even though I knew it was you know

981
00:40:07,849 --> 00:40:05,640
Jupiter or Venus you know it just looks

982
00:40:09,410 --> 00:40:07,859
so strange it looked like like beams

983
00:40:11,990 --> 00:40:09,420
were being shot down to the ground you

984
00:40:14,150 --> 00:40:12,000
know like like and even though I knew it

985
00:40:16,250 --> 00:40:14,160
was a planet I still busted out the star

986
00:40:18,170 --> 00:40:16,260
checking app on my phone you know yeah

987
00:40:21,470 --> 00:40:18,180
checked it all out well that that that

988
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:21,480
recent uh Jupiter thing was a perfect

989
00:40:26,450 --> 00:40:24,720
example because all day on Twitter all

990
00:40:30,410 --> 00:40:26,460
that night people were posting or

991
00:40:32,750 --> 00:40:30,420
hovering UFOs hovering motherships from

992
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:32,760
all over the world poor Mick West poor

993
00:40:39,530 --> 00:40:36,660
Mick West kept like tweeting like just a

994
00:40:42,410 --> 00:40:39,540
point to his tweet saying like this is

995
00:40:44,089 --> 00:40:42,420
Jupiter and Mars like it's gonna be all

996
00:40:46,790 --> 00:40:44,099
over it's gonna be you know don't

997
00:40:48,589 --> 00:40:46,800
mistake this I took a picture a visual

998
00:40:50,810 --> 00:40:48,599
picture with my phone and at the exact

999
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:50,820
same time took a screenshot of the star

1000
00:40:55,190 --> 00:40:52,680
checking app you know so these are the

1001
00:40:56,930 --> 00:40:55,200
exact same things and the more time you

1002
00:40:58,730 --> 00:40:56,940
spend watching that Sky the better you

1003
00:41:01,430 --> 00:40:58,740
can get it identifying very strange

1004
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:01,440
things but even after many years I still

1005
00:41:06,589 --> 00:41:04,020
occasionally see things that no you're

1006
00:41:08,690 --> 00:41:06,599
right I I now have my time to

1007
00:41:10,730 --> 00:41:08,700
investigate them you know for example

1008
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:10,740
when you're driving out on like E.T

1009
00:41:14,930 --> 00:41:13,500
Highway down in Nevada you'll see these

1010
00:41:17,089 --> 00:41:14,940
strange almost like jumping looking

1011
00:41:18,290 --> 00:41:17,099
lights and you think like oh that's

1012
00:41:21,170 --> 00:41:18,300
that's kind of like what Bob Czar

1013
00:41:23,210 --> 00:41:21,180
describes right but the problem is

1014
00:41:25,010 --> 00:41:23,220
it's at night time you can't actually

1015
00:41:27,829 --> 00:41:25,020
see the mountains and those lights are

1016
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:27,839
actually Ranch lights on these poles you

1017
00:41:32,270 --> 00:41:30,180
know next to a ranch house and you're

1018
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:32,280
moving bye you would just think well

1019
00:41:36,770 --> 00:41:34,800
that's crazy but what I'll do is I'll

1020
00:41:38,270 --> 00:41:36,780
take out my Sony cameras really good

1021
00:41:40,609 --> 00:41:38,280
with low light if I see something that

1022
00:41:42,170 --> 00:41:40,619
looks strange I'll take a nice low light

1023
00:41:43,670 --> 00:41:42,180
picture of it and then you can start you

1024
00:41:45,050 --> 00:41:43,680
can see the mountains it's actually on

1025
00:41:46,609 --> 00:41:45,060
the ground you just can't see those

1026
00:41:48,589 --> 00:41:46,619
mountains because it's pitch black at

1027
00:41:50,270 --> 00:41:48,599
night and there's just all these things

1028
00:41:52,310 --> 00:41:50,280
that'll look strange if you don't put in

1029
00:41:53,870 --> 00:41:52,320
the time you know there was one time I

1030
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:53,880
was driving around somewhere else in the

1031
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,740
desert that I thought this light was

1032
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,900
following me through this field like it

1033
00:42:01,069 --> 00:41:59,760
was a parallax kind of like illusion

1034
00:42:02,150 --> 00:42:01,079
right like kind of like when you look at

1035
00:42:04,250 --> 00:42:02,160
planes it looked like this thing was

1036
00:42:07,370 --> 00:42:04,260
just following me around so I spent like

1037
00:42:09,829 --> 00:42:07,380
two hours like driving around like these

1038
00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,839
Ranch properties I only realized it was

1039
00:42:13,670 --> 00:42:11,940
a another it was just like this glitchy

1040
00:42:16,310 --> 00:42:13,680
light that they had that just kept like

1041
00:42:18,950 --> 00:42:16,320
going on and off and just like doing

1042
00:42:20,870 --> 00:42:18,960
strange things and so I don't I don't

1043
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:20,880
begrudge people for misidentifying

1044
00:42:25,849 --> 00:42:24,060
things the sky it's just that when you

1045
00:42:27,470 --> 00:42:25,859
you should look to see if you can find

1046
00:42:29,390 --> 00:42:27,480
an explanation for it before assuming

1047
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:29,400
it's you know alien or something truly

1048
00:42:34,010 --> 00:42:31,619
anomalous and I have yet to see anything

1049
00:42:35,990 --> 00:42:34,020
in the sky that I couldn't eventually

1050
00:42:38,089 --> 00:42:36,000
come up with an explanation for

1051
00:42:40,370 --> 00:42:38,099
I'm I'm open to there being things in

1052
00:42:43,370 --> 00:42:40,380
the sky but I'm the kind of guy that

1053
00:42:44,810 --> 00:42:43,380
that needs proof like I want proof and I

1054
00:42:46,490 --> 00:42:44,820
think proof should be what everyone

1055
00:42:48,410 --> 00:42:46,500
wants like

1056
00:42:49,849 --> 00:42:48,420
and so when you get mad at people

1057
00:42:51,950 --> 00:42:49,859
because

1058
00:42:53,450 --> 00:42:51,960
you know they they're demanding proof or

1059
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:53,460
they have a bit of a higher standard of

1060
00:42:58,430 --> 00:42:56,579
evidence I think I think that's silly we

1061
00:43:02,089 --> 00:42:58,440
need these people that are looking for

1062
00:43:04,309 --> 00:43:02,099
prosaic explanations and they shouldn't

1063
00:43:06,890 --> 00:43:04,319
begin to grief they do I mean you can't

1064
00:43:09,710 --> 00:43:06,900
hop on a Midwest post without seeing

1065
00:43:12,230 --> 00:43:09,720
dozens of people like trolling him like

1066
00:43:14,089 --> 00:43:12,240
with nonsense and then they get mad at

1067
00:43:15,950 --> 00:43:14,099
you know mad at you and say you're

1068
00:43:18,470 --> 00:43:15,960
trolling when you point out something is

1069
00:43:20,329 --> 00:43:18,480
a star on one of their posts or it's

1070
00:43:23,630 --> 00:43:20,339
like come on guys we got to do better in

1071
00:43:25,730 --> 00:43:23,640
this topic like no I I absolutely 100

1072
00:43:27,470 --> 00:43:25,740
agree with you and I think you're also

1073
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,480
right about the longer you do it because

1074
00:43:32,809 --> 00:43:29,940
when I first bought that land up there

1075
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:32,819
on that mountain you know I was I was

1076
00:43:36,470 --> 00:43:35,099
fooled really good by just satellites

1077
00:43:39,710 --> 00:43:36,480
for a long time and then I learned to

1078
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,720
kind of identify what that looks like a

1079
00:43:43,670 --> 00:43:41,880
slow it looks like a slow star moving

1080
00:43:45,890 --> 00:43:43,680
across the sky slowly you know

1081
00:43:48,530 --> 00:43:45,900
eventually you start figuring it out and

1082
00:43:50,270 --> 00:43:48,540
go okay that's just a satellite and I

1083
00:43:52,730 --> 00:43:50,280
sort of agree with Stanton Friedman like

1084
00:43:55,250 --> 00:43:52,740
I don't care about balloons I don't care

1085
00:43:58,309 --> 00:43:55,260
about drones I I don't care about Stars

1086
00:44:00,410 --> 00:43:58,319
this guy I wanna yeah I want to I want

1087
00:44:02,870 --> 00:44:00,420
to see the Flying Saucer so I care about

1088
00:44:05,329 --> 00:44:02,880
I don't care about any ordinary I don't

1089
00:44:07,849 --> 00:44:05,339
care about airplanes in the sky I don't

1090
00:44:10,490 --> 00:44:07,859
care about you know uh those a lot of

1091
00:44:13,069 --> 00:44:10,500
it's so funny how many fake videos are

1092
00:44:15,290 --> 00:44:13,079
actually those divers with the fireworks

1093
00:44:17,990 --> 00:44:15,300
on their feet you know yeah yeah or

1094
00:44:20,089 --> 00:44:18,000
other lights yeah stunt divers or other

1095
00:44:23,690 --> 00:44:20,099
lights yeah like I don't care about any

1096
00:44:25,490 --> 00:44:23,700
of that stuff or Chinese lanterns or any

1097
00:44:28,190 --> 00:44:25,500
of that stuff I do not care about I care

1098
00:44:31,430 --> 00:44:28,200
about the the ones that cannot be

1099
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:31,440
explained the extraordinary ones so yeah

1100
00:44:37,309 --> 00:44:34,740
I've been out with people that you know

1101
00:44:39,589 --> 00:44:37,319
have been claiming to see a UFO and like

1102
00:44:41,270 --> 00:44:39,599
it's it's clearly a satellite

1103
00:44:43,250 --> 00:44:41,280
um I've been to Euro Sky watching

1104
00:44:44,930 --> 00:44:43,260
parties at various UFO conferences like

1105
00:44:47,270 --> 00:44:44,940
Ben Hansen would do one at the

1106
00:44:49,069 --> 00:44:47,280
international UFO Congress where they

1107
00:44:51,050 --> 00:44:49,079
bust out the night vision goggles which

1108
00:44:53,089 --> 00:44:51,060
to be honest I've always found night

1109
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:53,099
vision goggles for UFO hunting a bit

1110
00:44:57,109 --> 00:44:55,260
grifty like

1111
00:44:58,670 --> 00:44:57,119
it's going to help you see things like

1112
00:44:59,809 --> 00:44:58,680
planes and other objects that you

1113
00:45:01,490 --> 00:44:59,819
couldn't see with the naked eye because

1114
00:45:03,170 --> 00:45:01,500
it's so far away and then people are

1115
00:45:04,550 --> 00:45:03,180
going to interpret those things as UFOs

1116
00:45:07,849 --> 00:45:04,560
because they couldn't see it with their

1117
00:45:09,349 --> 00:45:07,859
naked eye like that's that's just it's

1118
00:45:10,730 --> 00:45:09,359
kind of like the equivalent of Ghost

1119
00:45:12,589 --> 00:45:10,740
Hunters going not using all their

1120
00:45:14,750 --> 00:45:12,599
equipment and seeing things that they

1121
00:45:17,510 --> 00:45:14,760
want to see but yeah I agree with you on

1122
00:45:19,550 --> 00:45:17,520
that because once uh somebody there's a

1123
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,560
guy named Ron from cosmic neighbors and

1124
00:45:24,650 --> 00:45:21,839
this Anthony from unidentified S4 and

1125
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,660
they have all those uh special cameras

1126
00:45:30,109 --> 00:45:26,880
and and light amplifying cameras and

1127
00:45:32,030 --> 00:45:30,119
night vision and and yeah we saw some

1128
00:45:33,589 --> 00:45:32,040
stuff but most of it was planes off in

1129
00:45:36,230 --> 00:45:33,599
the distance that you could not see with

1130
00:45:38,990 --> 00:45:36,240
the naked eye yeah but that thing

1131
00:45:42,230 --> 00:45:39,000
amplifies it that amplifies the lights

1132
00:45:44,270 --> 00:45:42,240
on the plane so that it looks like

1133
00:45:46,910 --> 00:45:44,280
something extraordinary or something

1134
00:45:49,130 --> 00:45:46,920
mystery blind pyramids you know from the

1135
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:49,140
Stars

1136
00:45:53,750 --> 00:45:51,599
uh yeah I mean like I've said at those

1137
00:45:55,430 --> 00:45:53,760
conferences where every the whole crowd

1138
00:45:57,410 --> 00:45:55,440
is like that's a UFO do you guys see it

1139
00:45:59,809 --> 00:45:57,420
it's a UFO and they have it all up on a

1140
00:46:02,270 --> 00:45:59,819
big video and everybody thinks it's like

1141
00:46:04,069 --> 00:46:02,280
it's not a UFO I'm sorry like that's a

1142
00:46:06,230 --> 00:46:04,079
plane like here look you can see it in

1143
00:46:07,970 --> 00:46:06,240
Flight Radar like and if you've ever

1144
00:46:10,790 --> 00:46:07,980
been to the UFO Congress like that's

1145
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,800
down in Arizona that's right on like

1146
00:46:15,190 --> 00:46:12,720
it's like a major flight path for the

1147
00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:15,200
Phoenix Airport and

1148
00:46:20,630 --> 00:46:18,300
it was just planes non-stop planes and

1149
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:20,640
people will believe it's UFOs it's easy

1150
00:46:23,809 --> 00:46:22,020
to convince groups of people that

1151
00:46:26,450 --> 00:46:23,819
they're having a siding I mean you know

1152
00:46:28,250 --> 00:46:26,460
Kreskin had his fake Mass UFO sightings

1153
00:46:29,990 --> 00:46:28,260
back in the day you know it was the one

1154
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,000
that really pissed off our Bell you know

1155
00:46:34,550 --> 00:46:32,160
because he held his little fake Mass UFO

1156
00:46:37,309 --> 00:46:34,560
sighting like you get groups of people

1157
00:46:39,470 --> 00:46:37,319
looking for UFOs with you know UFOs on

1158
00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:39,480
the brain like they're gonna find UFOs

1159
00:46:43,490 --> 00:46:41,520
they're just not going to be true UFOs

1160
00:46:46,849 --> 00:46:43,500
they're going to be misidentifications

1161
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:46,859
and yeah anyway yeah no I absolutely

1162
00:46:52,670 --> 00:46:49,440
agree with you so uh somebody asked in

1163
00:46:55,730 --> 00:46:52,680
the live chat or before we get to that I

1164
00:46:59,329 --> 00:46:55,740
do want to get to some more important

1165
00:47:01,790 --> 00:46:59,339
points of UFO history and and the one

1166
00:47:04,609 --> 00:47:01,800
that I just always went back to and have

1167
00:47:07,490 --> 00:47:04,619
spent a great deal of time I interviewed

1168
00:47:08,990 --> 00:47:07,500
every expert author researcher well not

1169
00:47:10,670 --> 00:47:09,000
every because I didn't get to you and

1170
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:10,680
many of the others that I would have

1171
00:47:16,370 --> 00:47:13,800
liked to but on Roswell

1172
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:16,380
um I I gotta know what you think uh and

1173
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:18,240
what is your best explanation for what

1174
00:47:22,370 --> 00:47:20,040
actually happened there because it seems

1175
00:47:25,609 --> 00:47:22,380
like Roswell is such an appealing case

1176
00:47:27,770 --> 00:47:25,619
because of the volume of information

1177
00:47:30,349 --> 00:47:27,780
there is and that's both good and bad

1178
00:47:32,569 --> 00:47:30,359
right yeah so

1179
00:47:35,329 --> 00:47:32,579
okay with Roswell again like you say

1180
00:47:37,309 --> 00:47:35,339
it's probably the most talked about case

1181
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,319
the most stuff's been written about it

1182
00:47:42,650 --> 00:47:39,839
and you know people talk about the

1183
00:47:44,450 --> 00:47:42,660
hundreds of witnesses but the problem

1184
00:47:46,250 --> 00:47:44,460
with is like they're third-party people

1185
00:47:49,010 --> 00:47:46,260
you know like my a friend of a family

1186
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:49,020
showed me a piece of the material or you

1187
00:47:54,470 --> 00:47:52,380
know very few actual Witnesses I tend to

1188
00:47:58,010 --> 00:47:54,480
think there's just a normal explanation

1189
00:48:00,050 --> 00:47:58,020
for Roswell personally like people say

1190
00:48:02,569 --> 00:48:00,060
oh it couldn't have been uh Mughal

1191
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,579
balloon I don't think that's true I

1192
00:48:05,809 --> 00:48:03,839
think it definitely could have been a

1193
00:48:08,450 --> 00:48:05,819
Mughal balloon

1194
00:48:10,190 --> 00:48:08,460
um you know it's and I don't even agree

1195
00:48:11,870 --> 00:48:10,200
with people in the history like Don

1196
00:48:14,210 --> 00:48:11,880
Schmidt is in the history group I like

1197
00:48:16,309 --> 00:48:14,220
Don like he once offered to have the UFO

1198
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:16,319
Museum in Roswell hire me to basically

1199
00:48:21,170 --> 00:48:18,240
do their Library their research Library

1200
00:48:23,270 --> 00:48:21,180
he's a great guy but I'm not going to

1201
00:48:25,250 --> 00:48:23,280
talk to him about Roswell because he's a

1202
00:48:27,230 --> 00:48:25,260
True Believer about Roswell and I'm just

1203
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,240
yeah I'll give you that yeah I'm not

1204
00:48:31,309 --> 00:48:29,760
like and you're right there's a lot of

1205
00:48:34,190 --> 00:48:31,319
there's a lot of like when when you get

1206
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:34,200
to well we ran out of witnesses so now

1207
00:48:38,150 --> 00:48:35,760
we're going to do a book on the children

1208
00:48:39,890 --> 00:48:38,160
of the witnesses of Roswell but I still

1209
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:39,900
found Apple kind of compelling because

1210
00:48:50,329 --> 00:48:46,970
it is very interesting yeah it's just

1211
00:48:52,849 --> 00:48:50,339
like the more you dig into basically not

1212
00:48:55,490 --> 00:48:52,859
just Roswell but any case like and start

1213
00:48:57,589 --> 00:48:55,500
to go look at what what's what do we

1214
00:48:58,910 --> 00:48:57,599
really know what was the source material

1215
00:49:01,910 --> 00:48:58,920
that a lot of these stories are coming

1216
00:49:03,410 --> 00:49:01,920
from you start to realize that a lot of

1217
00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:03,420
things have been changed over the years

1218
00:49:07,730 --> 00:49:05,339
there really isn't you know strong

1219
00:49:11,150 --> 00:49:07,740
evidence you know to point towards you

1220
00:49:12,829 --> 00:49:11,160
know a case being anomalous it's uh a

1221
00:49:14,690 --> 00:49:12,839
lot of the modern narratives surrounding

1222
00:49:16,490 --> 00:49:14,700
a lot of famous cases just don't even

1223
00:49:19,250 --> 00:49:16,500
factually match the original information

1224
00:49:22,010 --> 00:49:19,260
for the case like it's just been changed

1225
00:49:23,750 --> 00:49:22,020
you know over the course of time and

1226
00:49:26,809 --> 00:49:23,760
Roswell is one of those cases at this

1227
00:49:28,550 --> 00:49:26,819
point that it's it's so long ago I just

1228
00:49:30,770 --> 00:49:28,560
I don't think anything's going to ever

1229
00:49:34,010 --> 00:49:30,780
come from it it's what else can you do

1230
00:49:35,510 --> 00:49:34,020
with it everyone's dead it's you know

1231
00:49:37,430 --> 00:49:35,520
we've seen the documents available

1232
00:49:39,109 --> 00:49:37,440
there's people and there have been there

1233
00:49:41,510 --> 00:49:39,119
have been multiple bigs at the crash

1234
00:49:44,270 --> 00:49:41,520
sites too oh there's another one coming

1235
00:49:46,309 --> 00:49:44,280
up I think they do every couple of years

1236
00:49:48,829 --> 00:49:46,319
somebody starts getting shovels out and

1237
00:49:51,589 --> 00:49:48,839
let's dig for the yeah find the proof of

1238
00:49:54,109 --> 00:49:51,599
the aliens somehow the big one that bill

1239
00:49:57,050 --> 00:49:54,119
dolman uh did back with the Sci-Fi

1240
00:49:58,370 --> 00:49:57,060
channel you know back in 2000 what was

1241
00:50:00,230 --> 00:49:58,380
that two or something like that you know

1242
00:50:02,809 --> 00:50:00,240
and and there's other people have gone

1243
00:50:04,790 --> 00:50:02,819
out there I've actually spent you know I

1244
00:50:07,190 --> 00:50:04,800
I've been out on the debris field walked

1245
00:50:09,050 --> 00:50:07,200
at myself several times

1246
00:50:11,210 --> 00:50:09,060
um I've I've actually probably spent a

1247
00:50:14,089 --> 00:50:11,220
few weeks camping out there as well uh

1248
00:50:16,069 --> 00:50:14,099
over the years and you know I never

1249
00:50:17,630 --> 00:50:16,079
found anything and all the samples

1250
00:50:20,630 --> 00:50:17,640
people bring up and present these like

1251
00:50:23,030 --> 00:50:20,640
little pieces of metal you know like all

1252
00:50:25,150 --> 00:50:23,040
alleged UFO degrees turn out to be just

1253
00:50:27,470 --> 00:50:25,160
normal kind of metals we have on there

1254
00:50:29,990 --> 00:50:27,480
yeah and when you got remember when

1255
00:50:32,569 --> 00:50:30,000
you're on a ranch you know there's going

1256
00:50:34,970 --> 00:50:32,579
to be some metal material that falls out

1257
00:50:36,710 --> 00:50:34,980
of some Machinery or something I saw

1258
00:50:38,510 --> 00:50:36,720
something I found an old tin can that

1259
00:50:40,910 --> 00:50:38,520
was probably like a hundred years old

1260
00:50:43,970 --> 00:50:40,920
somebody sent me a picture of something

1261
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:43,980
that I that they found they apparently

1262
00:50:49,190 --> 00:50:47,220
at the Roswell crash site and and uh it

1263
00:50:52,309 --> 00:50:49,200
turned out to be a boat it was an old

1264
00:50:53,170 --> 00:50:52,319
rusty boat and that's all it was so you

1265
00:50:55,190 --> 00:50:53,180
know

1266
00:50:57,710 --> 00:50:55,200
sometimes the excitement is not

1267
00:51:00,049 --> 00:50:57,720
warranted for these things I don't I

1268
00:51:01,549 --> 00:51:00,059
think that you might be right and I

1269
00:51:04,130 --> 00:51:01,559
guess there was a time where I thought

1270
00:51:06,950 --> 00:51:04,140
or was hopeful that Roswell would be the

1271
00:51:09,049 --> 00:51:06,960
the you know Holy Grail and we'd get the

1272
00:51:09,829 --> 00:51:09,059
Smoking Gun evidence or proof at least

1273
00:51:17,030 --> 00:51:09,839
of

1274
00:51:20,690 --> 00:51:17,040
but it just never comes it's always

1275
00:51:22,970 --> 00:51:20,700
kicked the can and you know you have

1276
00:51:24,349 --> 00:51:22,980
like and you to this day that you know

1277
00:51:25,790 --> 00:51:24,359
you've got all these disclosure people

1278
00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:25,800
convinced the government's going to

1279
00:51:28,730 --> 00:51:27,420
eventually disclose and what that means

1280
00:51:30,589 --> 00:51:28,740
is going to tell us all about like the

1281
00:51:33,890 --> 00:51:30,599
Roswell and the craft saucers they've

1282
00:51:36,770 --> 00:51:33,900
gotten like well that would be awesome I

1283
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:36,780
mean I would love it that was true but I

1284
00:51:41,329 --> 00:51:38,460
just I don't see any evidence for that

1285
00:51:42,650 --> 00:51:41,339
and like with Roswell again you have a

1286
00:51:44,870 --> 00:51:42,660
lot of people like just kind of

1287
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:44,880
profiting off it and making crazy claims

1288
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:47,280
like Philip corso and his absolutely

1289
00:51:53,510 --> 00:51:49,200
ridiculous book the day after Roswell

1290
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:53,520
like it's there's just so much time and

1291
00:51:58,910 --> 00:51:57,119
confusion that I don't think there's any

1292
00:52:01,010 --> 00:51:58,920
hope that anything will ever come from

1293
00:52:02,690 --> 00:52:01,020
they're also a story personally all

1294
00:52:04,130 --> 00:52:02,700
right somebody asked in the live chat

1295
00:52:06,349 --> 00:52:04,140
and I get asked this a lot so I'm

1296
00:52:08,030 --> 00:52:06,359
curious what yours are what what are the

1297
00:52:10,910 --> 00:52:08,040
cases that you do find the most

1298
00:52:14,450 --> 00:52:10,920
mysterious or unexplainable or more

1299
00:52:16,849 --> 00:52:14,460
plausible for for alien visitation you

1300
00:52:18,290 --> 00:52:16,859
know I I get asked this a lot like they

1301
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:18,300
want to give me like what are my top

1302
00:52:22,549 --> 00:52:20,040
cases what I'm like my favorite cases

1303
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:22,559
like I to be honest I don't really

1304
00:52:28,490 --> 00:52:25,380
believe in best cases or that there are

1305
00:52:30,530 --> 00:52:28,500
top cases like there's a lot of really

1306
00:52:32,750 --> 00:52:30,540
interesting and compelling cases that

1307
00:52:34,849 --> 00:52:32,760
you know are strange I don't think they

1308
00:52:37,430 --> 00:52:34,859
provide any evidence whatsoever that

1309
00:52:39,170 --> 00:52:37,440
they're alien or from outside this world

1310
00:52:41,930 --> 00:52:39,180
I mean there's a lot of really good

1311
00:52:43,910 --> 00:52:41,940
well-documented stuff like the October

1312
00:52:45,410 --> 00:52:43,920
68 Minot you know Air Force Base

1313
00:52:48,049 --> 00:52:45,420
sighting

1314
00:52:51,049 --> 00:52:48,059
um that uh not to be confused with

1315
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:51,059
Robert salas's ridiculous story or any

1316
00:52:55,690 --> 00:52:53,119
of those other folks

1317
00:52:58,069 --> 00:52:55,700
that is probably one of the better

1318
00:53:00,170 --> 00:52:58,079
documented cases that has the most

1319
00:53:02,210 --> 00:53:00,180
primary source material interviews with

1320
00:53:04,490 --> 00:53:02,220
the people there done by some really

1321
00:53:06,650 --> 00:53:04,500
great people like Tom tulian and John

1322
00:53:12,910 --> 00:53:06,660
aldrick and you can go to I believe it's

1323
00:53:16,490 --> 00:53:12,920
Minot uh AFV 50 50 B-52 UFO might not be

1324
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,500
52ufo.com and look at all that material

1325
00:53:21,349 --> 00:53:19,200
and again it's an old case and you

1326
00:53:24,230 --> 00:53:21,359
people talk about talking about how

1327
00:53:26,210 --> 00:53:24,240
things repeat in history and how none of

1328
00:53:28,730 --> 00:53:26,220
this stuff is new that case has it's got

1329
00:53:30,349 --> 00:53:28,740
radar Scopes it's got more information

1330
00:53:33,170 --> 00:53:30,359
for it than we have for things like

1331
00:53:36,890 --> 00:53:33,180
Nimitz you know or gimbal like like

1332
00:53:38,690 --> 00:53:36,900
those cases well they sound great the

1333
00:53:40,910 --> 00:53:38,700
only real evidence we have is an

1334
00:53:42,470 --> 00:53:40,920
ambiguous video and some witness grainy

1335
00:53:44,809 --> 00:53:42,480
yeah grainy video and some witness

1336
00:53:47,030 --> 00:53:44,819
testimony and that's not new like

1337
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:47,040
there's been for example gun camera

1338
00:53:52,609 --> 00:53:49,440
footage I posted gun camera footage of a

1339
00:53:54,349 --> 00:53:52,619
case just last this month in fact of

1340
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:54,359
something that was recorded that was in

1341
00:53:59,569 --> 00:53:56,460
the Blue Book files you know this this

1342
00:54:01,970 --> 00:53:59,579
might not you know case in October 68.

1343
00:54:04,430 --> 00:54:01,980
it's got uh radar scope images that they

1344
00:54:05,809 --> 00:54:04,440
took of the radar screens there's uh

1345
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:05,819
interviews with like all the people

1346
00:54:09,710 --> 00:54:08,160
involved like there's a lot more primary

1347
00:54:12,650 --> 00:54:09,720
source material for that than there's

1348
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:12,660
for a lot of modern day cases

1349
00:54:18,410 --> 00:54:14,280
um do I think it proves anything

1350
00:54:22,250 --> 00:54:18,420
anomalous no and it actually sounds very

1351
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:22,260
similar to a case two years earlier

1352
00:54:25,490 --> 00:54:24,480
um that do you know who David shindell

1353
00:54:28,250 --> 00:54:25,500
is

1354
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:28,260
uh rings a bell but not not off the top

1355
00:54:32,690 --> 00:54:30,960
of my head no so like Robert Salas

1356
00:54:34,849 --> 00:54:32,700
recently posted a couple days ago about

1357
00:54:37,250 --> 00:54:34,859
not only did 10 nukes go off they now

1358
00:54:39,710 --> 00:54:37,260
know about three separate times that

1359
00:54:41,450 --> 00:54:39,720
happened right David chindell is one of

1360
00:54:44,089 --> 00:54:41,460
the people that said that happened you

1361
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,099
know the fall before the whole Echo

1362
00:54:48,170 --> 00:54:46,319
fight shut down and then Robert Salsa's

1363
00:54:48,890 --> 00:54:48,180
alleged shut down

1364
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:48,900
um

1365
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:51,420
and if you go back and look at the case

1366
00:54:56,990 --> 00:54:53,819
files for that time period back in

1367
00:54:59,089 --> 00:54:57,000
August of 1966 there was another

1368
00:55:01,010 --> 00:54:59,099
incident at Minot Air Force Base which I

1369
00:55:03,349 --> 00:55:01,020
think may be the one that David

1370
00:55:05,150 --> 00:55:03,359
schindel's talking about where they saw

1371
00:55:08,109 --> 00:55:05,160
UFO

1372
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:11,589
wow Dorothy

1373
00:55:25,089 --> 00:55:14,880
they saw a Yoko in the sky

1374
00:55:32,510 --> 00:55:28,069
not yours sorry

1375
00:55:38,349 --> 00:55:36,410
that's okay here I'll follow me

1376
00:55:40,670 --> 00:55:38,359
okay

1377
00:55:43,490 --> 00:55:40,680
anyways all these bass Personnel that

1378
00:55:45,770 --> 00:55:43,500
might not uh saw this in the sky for

1379
00:55:47,569 --> 00:55:45,780
three hours and they experienced radio

1380
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,579
interference on the radios trying to

1381
00:55:50,210 --> 00:55:48,720
communicate with launch control

1382
00:55:51,470 --> 00:55:50,220
facilities

1383
00:55:55,549 --> 00:55:51,480
and

1384
00:55:57,410 --> 00:55:55,559
one thing I've noticed studying cases

1385
00:56:00,349 --> 00:55:57,420
going over them chronologically by like

1386
00:56:01,849 --> 00:56:00,359
date and time period you start to see a

1387
00:56:04,309 --> 00:56:01,859
lot of similar cases over the years

1388
00:56:06,109 --> 00:56:04,319
happening on the same time of year the

1389
00:56:08,170 --> 00:56:06,119
same time at night for the same

1390
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,180
durations with very similar descriptions

1391
00:56:13,069 --> 00:56:11,760
and you see this with that Minot case is

1392
00:56:15,530 --> 00:56:13,079
very similar to the one that happened

1393
00:56:17,390 --> 00:56:15,540
two years later it's very similar to

1394
00:56:18,410 --> 00:56:17,400
what people like Solace describe for

1395
00:56:21,770 --> 00:56:18,420
their case

1396
00:56:24,410 --> 00:56:21,780
and it's actually also very similar to

1397
00:56:27,530 --> 00:56:24,420
the last two days is when the famous

1398
00:56:29,630 --> 00:56:27,540
swamp gas days happened oh yeah I

1399
00:56:32,089 --> 00:56:29,640
remember that one that always seems to

1400
00:56:34,010 --> 00:56:32,099
be a ridiculous explanation to me but

1401
00:56:35,450 --> 00:56:34,020
you know it is but you also have to

1402
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,460
understand stranger things have happened

1403
00:56:40,430 --> 00:56:38,640
in nature I suppose I won so important I

1404
00:56:43,130 --> 00:56:40,440
once saw ball lightning and that was

1405
00:56:44,809 --> 00:56:43,140
amazing that looked like Paranormal to

1406
00:56:47,390 --> 00:56:44,819
me it looked like something out of this

1407
00:56:49,490 --> 00:56:47,400
world ball lightning is amazing if you

1408
00:56:51,530 --> 00:56:49,500
get a chance to see some yeah I haven't

1409
00:56:53,329 --> 00:56:51,540
seen fall lightning but I've seen what

1410
00:56:54,530 --> 00:56:53,339
would be described as green Fireballs

1411
00:56:56,870 --> 00:56:54,540
twice

1412
00:57:00,530 --> 00:56:56,880
um that was just really crazy I thought

1413
00:57:03,049 --> 00:57:00,540
it was amazing as well but it's uh

1414
00:57:04,790 --> 00:57:03,059
God I lost track of time oh okay one of

1415
00:57:07,010 --> 00:57:04,800
the reasons why heinek initially thought

1416
00:57:08,809 --> 00:57:07,020
uh didn't think much of that case was

1417
00:57:10,910 --> 00:57:08,819
because he was actually out there

1418
00:57:12,890 --> 00:57:10,920
investigating and he was like with

1419
00:57:14,630 --> 00:57:12,900
people that would point to something

1420
00:57:16,430 --> 00:57:14,640
there it is there's the UFO again only

1421
00:57:18,349 --> 00:57:16,440
he immediately knew that was actually

1422
00:57:20,510 --> 00:57:18,359
just like Venus like that was a star

1423
00:57:22,370 --> 00:57:20,520
like that people were interpreting as

1424
00:57:24,109 --> 00:57:22,380
UFO and so that initially kind of put

1425
00:57:25,250 --> 00:57:24,119
him off you know that there wasn't

1426
00:57:28,910 --> 00:57:25,260
anything going on here but

1427
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,920
misidentifications you know he he uh you

1428
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:30,000
know people probably know the whole

1429
00:57:33,650 --> 00:57:32,040
story about the swampcast explanation or

1430
00:57:36,950 --> 00:57:33,660
like into that it did two tweets about

1431
00:57:39,770 --> 00:57:36,960
it the last two days but the way people

1432
00:57:42,290 --> 00:57:39,780
describe that that those Dexter Michigan

1433
00:57:44,150 --> 00:57:42,300
uh Hillsdale Michigan sightings where

1434
00:57:45,530 --> 00:57:44,160
they saw a bright kind of light they

1435
00:57:46,970 --> 00:57:45,540
said it would kind of come down to the

1436
00:57:49,609 --> 00:57:46,980
ground and then it would kind of go back

1437
00:57:52,250 --> 00:57:49,619
up again that's identical to how people

1438
00:57:54,049 --> 00:57:52,260
at Minos Air Force Base like both those

1439
00:57:56,510 --> 00:57:54,059
years and a few other sightings

1440
00:57:59,089 --> 00:57:56,520
described what they were seeing only the

1441
00:58:01,370 --> 00:57:59,099
the problem is like that's what heineck

1442
00:58:03,049 --> 00:58:01,380
said was a star like and the fact that

1443
00:58:04,910 --> 00:58:03,059
something stayed for three hours and

1444
00:58:06,290 --> 00:58:04,920
they witnessed this like that to me

1445
00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:06,300
doesn't really sound like a UFO that

1446
00:58:09,109 --> 00:58:07,440
sounds like a misidentification of

1447
00:58:11,329 --> 00:58:09,119
something astronomical kind of like

1448
00:58:13,069 --> 00:58:11,339
these people you see saying that they

1449
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:13,079
see the same UFOs in this in this guy

1450
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,160
every single night like they're

1451
00:58:17,030 --> 00:58:15,839
following them around it's like I'm

1452
00:58:19,730 --> 00:58:17,040
sorry if you're seeing the same thing

1453
00:58:21,309 --> 00:58:19,740
repeatedly like on a regular basis

1454
00:58:23,650 --> 00:58:21,319
you're not seeing a UFO you're

1455
00:58:28,309 --> 00:58:23,660
misidentifying something that's prosaic

1456
00:58:30,470 --> 00:58:28,319
and sure yeah yeah

1457
00:58:32,750 --> 00:58:30,480
sorry what do you think of the Cash Land

1458
00:58:35,329 --> 00:58:32,760
room case that's always been one that

1459
00:58:37,309 --> 00:58:35,339
seemed a little mysterious to me but I

1460
00:58:40,130 --> 00:58:37,319
sure went down a bunch of rabbit holes

1461
00:58:44,930 --> 00:58:40,140
with that one and even uh

1462
00:58:47,690 --> 00:58:44,940
went to extreme I don't know you know a

1463
00:58:49,430 --> 00:58:47,700
lot of times I I will just say well that

1464
00:58:51,470 --> 00:58:49,440
this person's not credible or this

1465
00:58:53,030 --> 00:58:51,480
person's not credible in that case I I

1466
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:53,040
listened to what everyone had to say

1467
00:58:57,950 --> 00:58:55,680
about the case it seems very mysterious

1468
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,960
and they they have you know some

1469
00:59:02,150 --> 00:58:59,520
physical effects that appear to be

1470
00:59:04,270 --> 00:59:02,160
radiation poisoning from their exposure

1471
00:59:06,890 --> 00:59:04,280
to that craft most of me thinks

1472
00:59:08,630 --> 00:59:06,900
experimental aircraft especially with

1473
00:59:10,370 --> 00:59:08,640
the Chinook helicopters that were

1474
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,380
witnessed in the area but the military

1475
00:59:15,170 --> 00:59:13,200
denies they had Chinook helicopters yeah

1476
00:59:18,410 --> 00:59:15,180
in the area at that time and the closest

1477
00:59:21,289 --> 00:59:18,420
were hundreds of miles away so that's a

1478
00:59:24,109 --> 00:59:21,299
real rabbit hole that one yeah the the

1479
00:59:26,270 --> 00:59:24,119
real expert I think on on that case

1480
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:26,280
these days is probably the great Kurt

1481
00:59:30,289 --> 00:59:27,960
Collins but uh

1482
00:59:32,329 --> 00:59:30,299
uh yeah there's there's always this

1483
00:59:34,670 --> 00:59:32,339
residual of cases that are just like

1484
00:59:36,589 --> 00:59:34,680
like truly strange and it's hard to kind

1485
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,599
of bucket into a presented explanation

1486
00:59:40,430 --> 00:59:38,400
is kind of and to me that's kind of

1487
00:59:42,770 --> 00:59:40,440
where like like a lot of alleged

1488
00:59:45,730 --> 00:59:42,780
abductions are as well it's it's like

1489
00:59:47,870 --> 00:59:45,740
either these people are just you know

1490
00:59:50,809 --> 00:59:47,880
delusional they're lying or there's

1491
00:59:52,430 --> 00:59:50,819
something kind of super strange going on

1492
00:59:54,049 --> 00:59:52,440
um Cashland is kind of like one of those

1493
00:59:56,630 --> 00:59:54,059
cases where

1494
00:59:58,250 --> 00:59:56,640
you know there's again it's a story

1495
00:59:59,930 --> 00:59:58,260
where things have changed over the years

1496
01:00:01,910 --> 00:59:59,940
like if you look at the original

1497
01:00:02,930 --> 01:00:01,920
material it's not quite the same as it

1498
01:00:05,210 --> 01:00:02,940
is now

1499
01:00:06,530 --> 01:00:05,220
but it's a very strange one and as you

1500
01:00:08,390 --> 01:00:06,540
said they've looked into all sorts of

1501
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:08,400
explanations you know is it a

1502
01:00:13,670 --> 01:00:10,380
nuclear-powered craft you know is that

1503
01:00:16,490 --> 01:00:13,680
why they had radiation Burns I I don't

1504
01:00:19,370 --> 01:00:16,500
know what it is like it's it's a strange

1505
01:00:21,710 --> 01:00:19,380
one or is it a case where these people

1506
01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:21,720
actually burn themselves with an iron

1507
01:00:26,569 --> 01:00:24,420
and you know called it a radiation burn

1508
01:00:28,309 --> 01:00:26,579
I I don't I don't know it's

1509
01:00:30,109 --> 01:00:28,319
there's there's strange ones out there

1510
01:00:32,030 --> 01:00:30,119
and those ones go in my gray bucket you

1511
01:00:34,370 --> 01:00:32,040
know because they're interesting but

1512
01:00:37,370 --> 01:00:34,380
again I don't think there's much

1513
01:00:39,710 --> 01:00:37,380
evidence that really would be considered

1514
01:00:42,289 --> 01:00:39,720
proof that there's something out of this

1515
01:00:46,549 --> 01:00:42,299
world or otherwise

1516
01:00:51,470 --> 01:00:46,559
yeah I I think you you might be right so

1517
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:51,480
with this ttsa in 2017 sort of the these

1518
01:00:56,870 --> 01:00:54,660
uh you know the gimbal the go fast I I

1519
01:00:59,089 --> 01:00:56,880
didn't understand the excitement and I

1520
01:01:01,010 --> 01:00:59,099
and I'm assuming that I'm not alone in

1521
01:01:03,289 --> 01:01:01,020
that because I kind of looked at that

1522
01:01:04,970 --> 01:01:03,299
and went well this is very grainy

1523
01:01:07,069 --> 01:01:04,980
footage and it's it's hard to really

1524
01:01:09,170 --> 01:01:07,079
make any determination and can we get

1525
01:01:12,289 --> 01:01:09,180
the radar tapes from the ship and we

1526
01:01:14,089 --> 01:01:12,299
never do can we get any of the sensor

1527
01:01:15,710 --> 01:01:14,099
data from the ship can we interview

1528
01:01:19,130 --> 01:01:15,720
people from

1529
01:01:21,170 --> 01:01:19,140
the ship and and you know and then

1530
01:01:24,289 --> 01:01:21,180
there's these back and forth statements

1531
01:01:26,569 --> 01:01:24,299
of uh you know some of the witnesses

1532
01:01:29,170 --> 01:01:26,579
including the the female one whose name

1533
01:01:32,150 --> 01:01:29,180
always Escapes Me and uh

1534
01:01:33,349 --> 01:01:32,160
yeah you know we've got two people that

1535
01:01:36,710 --> 01:01:33,359
said well I thought it might be a

1536
01:01:39,289 --> 01:01:36,720
missile when I first saw it well if

1537
01:01:41,930 --> 01:01:39,299
you're in a you know an active

1538
01:01:44,270 --> 01:01:41,940
area where and then there's a drone test

1539
01:01:45,710 --> 01:01:44,280
facility like not too far away from

1540
01:01:46,789 --> 01:01:45,720
where the sightings on the west coast

1541
01:01:49,370 --> 01:01:46,799
were

1542
01:01:50,809 --> 01:01:49,380
yeah you know do you think the

1543
01:01:53,329 --> 01:01:50,819
excitement over those things was

1544
01:01:55,130 --> 01:01:53,339
warranted and I guess hasn't Mick West

1545
01:01:57,049 --> 01:01:55,140
sort of blown apart that they were

1546
01:01:58,490 --> 01:01:57,059
anything extraordinary in two of the

1547
01:02:01,010 --> 01:01:58,500
three cases

1548
01:02:03,829 --> 01:02:01,020
yeah I I think I think he has

1549
01:02:05,809 --> 01:02:03,839
um I I liked Steve just mentioned the

1550
01:02:07,789 --> 01:02:05,819
chat I was kind of initially pumped for

1551
01:02:09,289 --> 01:02:07,799
some of these videos like when when

1552
01:02:11,150 --> 01:02:09,299
Nimitz came out I thought well this

1553
01:02:12,710 --> 01:02:11,160
might actually be we might actually get

1554
01:02:14,329 --> 01:02:12,720
some good evidence this time you know

1555
01:02:17,270 --> 01:02:14,339
some hard evidence that something really

1556
01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:17,280
is going on but the more the more you

1557
01:02:20,690 --> 01:02:19,079
dig into it and the more I dug into it

1558
01:02:22,130 --> 01:02:20,700
the more you realize it's not too

1559
01:02:24,049 --> 01:02:22,140
different than any other case that we've

1560
01:02:26,690 --> 01:02:24,059
had we've got a grainy video that's the

1561
01:02:29,089 --> 01:02:26,700
only actual physical or hard evidence

1562
01:02:32,150 --> 01:02:29,099
that we have and then we got some

1563
01:02:33,890 --> 01:02:32,160
witness testimony and so it's really not

1564
01:02:36,829 --> 01:02:33,900
any different than any you know other

1565
01:02:38,329 --> 01:02:36,839
case we've had throughout history and I

1566
01:02:40,370 --> 01:02:38,339
don't think anything will ever be proven

1567
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:40,380
from the videos they just won't like

1568
01:02:43,430 --> 01:02:41,640
even if you want to believe what's

1569
01:02:45,770 --> 01:02:43,440
behind the video like what's in the

1570
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,780
video is something anomalous or two UAP

1571
01:02:50,150 --> 01:02:48,240
the video doesn't show that none of the

1572
01:02:52,789 --> 01:02:50,160
videos actually show anything anomalous

1573
01:02:54,589 --> 01:02:52,799
like the Floor video does not show

1574
01:02:58,549 --> 01:02:54,599
anything anomalous you can think it's a

1575
01:03:01,010 --> 01:02:58,559
UAP but it's not we don't see any

1576
01:03:02,870 --> 01:03:01,020
extreme maneuverability any like you

1577
01:03:04,130 --> 01:03:02,880
know speed we don't see any of that same

1578
01:03:06,589 --> 01:03:04,140
thing with the gimbal you can believe

1579
01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:06,599
that's the UAP but the video isn't going

1580
01:03:10,010 --> 01:03:09,059
to prove that and you have people that

1581
01:03:11,990 --> 01:03:10,020
are just

1582
01:03:14,690 --> 01:03:12,000
you know doing what they consider

1583
01:03:16,990 --> 01:03:14,700
science and math and drawing these plots

1584
01:03:19,970 --> 01:03:17,000
you know of how they think the videos

1585
01:03:21,710 --> 01:03:19,980
yeah like I'm sorry that's just you're

1586
01:03:24,109 --> 01:03:21,720
speculating you're adding your own stuff

1587
01:03:26,930 --> 01:03:24,119
on top of it that isn't actually there

1588
01:03:28,849 --> 01:03:26,940
like yeah just to note uh somebody is in

1589
01:03:31,069 --> 01:03:28,859
the live chat Brooke came in thank you

1590
01:03:33,710 --> 01:03:31,079
the gold color is letting us know that

1591
01:03:35,510 --> 01:03:33,720
the rumble uh live stream is locked up

1592
01:03:38,210 --> 01:03:35,520
and I just checked that it appears to be

1593
01:03:39,890 --> 01:03:38,220
so I apologize but I I'll put a notice

1594
01:03:42,410 --> 01:03:39,900
in the rumble live chat with the link to

1595
01:03:45,170 --> 01:03:42,420
the YouTube live chat sorry about that

1596
01:03:47,089 --> 01:03:45,180
Rumble uh Rumble viewers uh that's the

1597
01:03:50,030 --> 01:03:47,099
first time that's happened so I don't

1598
01:03:52,250 --> 01:03:50,040
know what's going on and we're a live

1599
01:03:54,349 --> 01:03:52,260
show we roll with the punches uh maybe

1600
01:03:56,289 --> 01:03:54,359
it's the Men in Black Mr Knox they don't

1601
01:03:59,990 --> 01:03:56,299
like you

1602
01:04:02,690 --> 01:04:00,000
alien narratives I also thought that

1603
01:04:04,549 --> 01:04:02,700
people made some extraordinary claims

1604
01:04:07,549 --> 01:04:04,559
about the object seen in those videos

1605
01:04:09,410 --> 01:04:07,559
and we constantly get these statements

1606
01:04:12,470 --> 01:04:09,420
like these things defied the laws of

1607
01:04:14,390 --> 01:04:12,480
physics or these things move that speeds

1608
01:04:17,450 --> 01:04:14,400
no we don't have anything that can move

1609
01:04:19,789 --> 01:04:17,460
that fast yeah or I even heard somebody

1610
01:04:22,190 --> 01:04:19,799
one time argue with me saying well these

1611
01:04:23,809 --> 01:04:22,200
things did 90 degree turns and we don't

1612
01:04:26,930 --> 01:04:23,819
have anything that can do 90 degree

1613
01:04:30,230 --> 01:04:26,940
turns and I'm like you know I can go to

1614
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:30,240
Walmart for 40 bucks and buy a drone

1615
01:04:35,450 --> 01:04:32,880
that can do 90 degree turns so of course

1616
01:04:37,490 --> 01:04:35,460
the military's got something that can do

1617
01:04:40,970 --> 01:04:37,500
90 degree turns it seems like the

1618
01:04:44,750 --> 01:04:40,980
arguments first of all some of them were

1619
01:04:47,089 --> 01:04:44,760
were just flawed from a from a research

1620
01:04:49,370 --> 01:04:47,099
perspective and secondly if you're going

1621
01:04:51,230 --> 01:04:49,380
to make claims like these things defied

1622
01:04:53,329 --> 01:04:51,240
the laws of physics then I need to see

1623
01:04:57,049 --> 01:04:53,339
the sensor data that you're basing that

1624
01:04:58,549 --> 01:04:57,059
observation on not trust me dude right

1625
01:05:00,710 --> 01:04:58,559
or am I wrong

1626
01:05:02,630 --> 01:05:00,720
no I I agree and this is something that

1627
01:05:05,030 --> 01:05:02,640
kind of disappointed me when I started

1628
01:05:08,450 --> 01:05:05,040
to look into these cases like Nimitz and

1629
01:05:10,490 --> 01:05:08,460
you know I I talked to uh I talked to a

1630
01:05:12,109 --> 01:05:10,500
guy that you know was an app for pod

1631
01:05:14,510 --> 01:05:12,119
expert used the same pod he's actually

1632
01:05:17,030 --> 01:05:14,520
the same guy SCU used for their report

1633
01:05:19,130 --> 01:05:17,040
on that image case I talked to him for a

1634
01:05:21,710 --> 01:05:19,140
good deal of time you know and then I

1635
01:05:23,950 --> 01:05:21,720
traveled to SCU the very first one in

1636
01:05:26,329 --> 01:05:23,960
2019 watched all these presentations

1637
01:05:29,990 --> 01:05:26,339
some of you guys have probably seen that

1638
01:05:32,450 --> 01:05:30,000
report in that Fringe Journal entropy by

1639
01:05:34,910 --> 01:05:32,460
newth and Rayleigh and pal you know

1640
01:05:37,490 --> 01:05:34,920
about the estimating the characteristics

1641
01:05:39,829 --> 01:05:37,500
of you know unidentified objects and

1642
01:05:41,809 --> 01:05:39,839
they do all sorts of great fancy physics

1643
01:05:43,609 --> 01:05:41,819
and math and come up with all these

1644
01:05:46,370 --> 01:05:43,619
figures of the g-forces that would be

1645
01:05:48,410 --> 01:05:46,380
required the speeds moving but if you

1646
01:05:50,569 --> 01:05:48,420
actually look at what they're basing

1647
01:05:53,630 --> 01:05:50,579
that on it's not on sensor data it's not

1648
01:05:55,789 --> 01:05:53,640
on evidence it's on stories it's on for

1649
01:05:57,770 --> 01:05:55,799
example like with the Nimitz all those

1650
01:06:00,530 --> 01:05:57,780
speeds and stuff come from stories Kevin

1651
01:06:02,870 --> 01:06:00,540
Day told you know of what he alleged he

1652
01:06:05,990 --> 01:06:02,880
saw on the screen 15 plus years earlier

1653
01:06:07,910 --> 01:06:06,000
like you know that's not actually based

1654
01:06:10,250 --> 01:06:07,920
on Hard Evidence but people look at

1655
01:06:11,690 --> 01:06:10,260
these papers and while these guys are

1656
01:06:14,270 --> 01:06:11,700
really smart dudes and they are they're

1657
01:06:16,069 --> 01:06:14,280
brilliant guys like I I met them all

1658
01:06:18,349 --> 01:06:16,079
they're they're very intelligent people

1659
01:06:20,450 --> 01:06:18,359
but the math and the physics they're

1660
01:06:22,010 --> 01:06:20,460
doing to come up with these alleged

1661
01:06:25,190 --> 01:06:22,020
characteristics that we're witnessing in

1662
01:06:27,289 --> 01:06:25,200
these videos isn't based on really the

1663
01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:27,299
videos as much as it's based on stories

1664
01:06:31,130 --> 01:06:28,799
that were being told

1665
01:06:33,289 --> 01:06:31,140
and with like Nimitz for example a lot

1666
01:06:35,450 --> 01:06:33,299
of the speeds are come down to they say

1667
01:06:37,069 --> 01:06:35,460
for example it it disappeared and then

1668
01:06:38,510 --> 01:06:37,079
it showed up at the cap Point well okay

1669
01:06:40,849 --> 01:06:38,520
how do you know it showed up at the cat

1670
01:06:42,829 --> 01:06:40,859
Point did you track it from point A to

1671
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:42,839
point B or did something just disappear

1672
01:06:47,029 --> 01:06:45,299
at a something new showed up a b you

1673
01:06:49,250 --> 01:06:47,039
assumed it was the same object going out

1674
01:06:51,650 --> 01:06:49,260
of here that I remember this argument

1675
01:06:53,870 --> 01:06:51,660
and I thought it would be two drones one

1676
01:06:56,109 --> 01:06:53,880
disappeared Horizon and one arrived at

1677
01:06:58,730 --> 01:06:56,119
the at the at the other

1678
01:07:01,430 --> 01:06:58,740
pointing it for the same object yeah

1679
01:07:03,289 --> 01:07:01,440
yeah or it could be a essential sense of

1680
01:07:05,870 --> 01:07:03,299
glitch or anomaly like yeah the member

1681
01:07:08,029 --> 01:07:05,880
both with Nimitz and gimbal like they

1682
01:07:10,130 --> 01:07:08,039
were in the process of rolling out and

1683
01:07:11,750 --> 01:07:10,140
upgrading to a brand new system and

1684
01:07:14,630 --> 01:07:11,760
we're in the process of recalibrating

1685
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:14,640
these systems yeah and I know once that

1686
01:07:18,589 --> 01:07:16,680
was done all the UFOs stopped appearing

1687
01:07:20,930 --> 01:07:18,599
on the radar like yeah and I've talked

1688
01:07:23,270 --> 01:07:20,940
to some military people who Navy people

1689
01:07:25,849 --> 01:07:23,280
who told me that when you recalibrate

1690
01:07:27,589 --> 01:07:25,859
all the sensors on a ship everything's a

1691
01:07:29,870 --> 01:07:27,599
little wonky for a while because you may

1692
01:07:31,549 --> 01:07:29,880
have turned some dials to far up and you

1693
01:07:34,250 --> 01:07:31,559
may have turned some dials too far down

1694
01:07:36,589 --> 01:07:34,260
after calibration is is kind of a

1695
01:07:39,230 --> 01:07:36,599
dangerous time you have to do some more

1696
01:07:41,390 --> 01:07:39,240
testing to find out if if you were

1697
01:07:44,450 --> 01:07:41,400
correct in your recalibration of all

1698
01:07:47,750 --> 01:07:44,460
these very sensitive electronic sensors

1699
01:07:49,849 --> 01:07:47,760
you know and if you if you don't do it

1700
01:07:52,730 --> 01:07:49,859
right you're going to get too many hits

1701
01:07:54,529 --> 01:07:52,740
or not enough hits you know

1702
01:07:57,430 --> 01:07:54,539
and then you know and the other issue

1703
01:08:00,650 --> 01:07:57,440
with these these specific incidences is

1704
01:08:01,910 --> 01:08:00,660
the only people that we really have that

1705
01:08:03,470 --> 01:08:01,920
have come forward and that are talking

1706
01:08:05,510 --> 01:08:03,480
about this are the same people that have

1707
01:08:08,690 --> 01:08:05,520
kind of embraced the UFO topic and like

1708
01:08:10,730 --> 01:08:08,700
the narrative like for example the the

1709
01:08:12,950 --> 01:08:10,740
hundreds of sightings on you know the

1710
01:08:14,510 --> 01:08:12,960
daily basis for years that Ryan Graves

1711
01:08:16,669 --> 01:08:14,520
talks about well where are any of these

1712
01:08:19,070 --> 01:08:16,679
other Pilots like how come we can't get

1713
01:08:20,809 --> 01:08:19,080
a single person besides for these

1714
01:08:23,570 --> 01:08:20,819
handful of people talking about these

1715
01:08:25,610 --> 01:08:23,580
incidences looks like they were put out

1716
01:08:28,669 --> 01:08:25,620
and one of them was on a TV show before

1717
01:08:30,289 --> 01:08:28,679
this so I don't trust it was a favor I

1718
01:08:33,709 --> 01:08:30,299
don't trust him because he seems like a

1719
01:08:36,709 --> 01:08:33,719
spotlight hand you know you know I I I

1720
01:08:39,709 --> 01:08:36,719
met fravor and a breakfast with favor

1721
01:08:43,010 --> 01:08:39,719
and he's a funny guy but you know even

1722
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,020
he was skeptical of like you know people

1723
01:08:47,209 --> 01:08:45,600
like Kevin Day the the irony is at that

1724
01:08:49,130 --> 01:08:47,219
time he was like I'm skeptical of anyone

1725
01:08:50,990 --> 01:08:49,140
who wants to Spotlight and who wants to

1726
01:08:52,669 --> 01:08:51,000
go to these UFO conferences and he wants

1727
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,679
to I mean

1728
01:08:56,749 --> 01:08:54,719
it's his first UFO conference he's going

1729
01:08:58,130 --> 01:08:56,759
to and he's since pretty much embraced

1730
01:09:00,650 --> 01:08:58,140
the topic and done podcasts and

1731
01:09:02,390 --> 01:09:00,660
everything else yeah meanwhile he's all

1732
01:09:04,189 --> 01:09:02,400
chips in when he realized that this was

1733
01:09:06,890 --> 01:09:04,199
a good money source for him and a good

1734
01:09:09,349 --> 01:09:06,900
source of Fame and or whatever you know

1735
01:09:11,809 --> 01:09:09,359
and as you pointed out even people like

1736
01:09:14,329 --> 01:09:11,819
Dietrich and slate like thought it was a

1737
01:09:15,890 --> 01:09:14,339
missile until these UFO people started

1738
01:09:18,229 --> 01:09:15,900
telling them no it's not a missile it's

1739
01:09:20,150 --> 01:09:18,239
a UFO like like a lot of these people

1740
01:09:21,890 --> 01:09:20,160
didn't even think it was anomalous and

1741
01:09:23,689 --> 01:09:21,900
if it was so anomalous to them and they

1742
01:09:25,970 --> 01:09:23,699
thought it was so like earth-shaking

1743
01:09:28,550 --> 01:09:25,980
like evidence why did they forget about

1744
01:09:30,530 --> 01:09:28,560
it for like 15 years or and why do most

1745
01:09:33,709 --> 01:09:30,540
of the people involved still not care or

1746
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:33,719
want to talk about it you know it's it's

1747
01:09:39,650 --> 01:09:36,719
it just so to me once again that most

1748
01:09:43,130 --> 01:09:39,660
stories ultimately come down to stories

1749
01:09:45,470 --> 01:09:43,140
not actual evidence yeah anecdotes we've

1750
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,480
talked about this those anecdotes and

1751
01:09:52,689 --> 01:09:47,520
people say the plurality of antidotes is

1752
01:09:56,030 --> 01:09:52,699
evidence like uh no sorry

1753
01:09:58,610 --> 01:09:56,040
like a lot of stories like I mean

1754
01:10:01,610 --> 01:09:58,620
it's uh I just I just want better

1755
01:10:04,010 --> 01:10:01,620
evidence I just want you know this topic

1756
01:10:05,390 --> 01:10:04,020
more serious and if there is evidence I

1757
01:10:08,570 --> 01:10:05,400
want to see it I don't want to see

1758
01:10:10,610 --> 01:10:08,580
another granny video or with a lot of

1759
01:10:12,830 --> 01:10:10,620
stories attached to it being told by

1760
01:10:16,250 --> 01:10:12,840
people that are full in on profiting

1761
01:10:18,709 --> 01:10:16,260
from this topic that's just I mean I

1762
01:10:20,870 --> 01:10:18,719
don't think that makes me negative to be

1763
01:10:24,169 --> 01:10:20,880
to find that all a bit you know

1764
01:10:26,209 --> 01:10:24,179
incredulous I don't know

1765
01:10:28,130 --> 01:10:26,219
no I absolutely agree with you and I

1766
01:10:30,470 --> 01:10:28,140
think it's good to be it's good to have

1767
01:10:32,810 --> 01:10:30,480
that caution and not just blindly accept

1768
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:32,820
the stories because

1769
01:10:37,430 --> 01:10:34,920
you know if we just blindly accept the

1770
01:10:39,050 --> 01:10:37,440
story hucksters then Bob lazar's real

1771
01:10:41,330 --> 01:10:39,060
he's not a pimp he's a government

1772
01:10:42,770 --> 01:10:41,340
scientist and a whistleblower you know

1773
01:10:45,590 --> 01:10:42,780
it's just

1774
01:10:47,689 --> 01:10:45,600
I I see though that there's this such a

1775
01:10:49,910 --> 01:10:47,699
need for this information and people

1776
01:10:51,770 --> 01:10:49,920
want it to be true so desperately and

1777
01:10:54,410 --> 01:10:51,780
they and and that's why I think the

1778
01:10:56,870 --> 01:10:54,420
grifters rush in to to fill the need

1779
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:56,880
because the the actual good or

1780
01:11:03,790 --> 01:11:00,239
verifiable evidence and information is

1781
01:11:07,550 --> 01:11:03,800
so minuscule that it can't possibly fill

1782
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:07,560
the demand so the grifters rush in to

1783
01:11:13,310 --> 01:11:11,460
fill that Demand right yeah and not and

1784
01:11:15,950 --> 01:11:13,320
I don't point out that not all not

1785
01:11:17,689 --> 01:11:15,960
everyone is necessarily being a grifter

1786
01:11:21,530 --> 01:11:17,699
or something I've noticed with both like

1787
01:11:23,390 --> 01:11:21,540
SCU and narcap uh I think a lot of these

1788
01:11:24,649 --> 01:11:23,400
people do have a sincere interest in the

1789
01:11:27,530 --> 01:11:24,659
topic and they're very intelligent

1790
01:11:29,450 --> 01:11:27,540
people but they're also Believers and so

1791
01:11:31,729 --> 01:11:29,460
they're using their their knowledge

1792
01:11:35,810 --> 01:11:31,739
about math physics science and their

1793
01:11:38,570 --> 01:11:35,820
degrees in in the cause of following

1794
01:11:41,090 --> 01:11:38,580
their true belief you know I'll Point uh

1795
01:11:44,689 --> 01:11:41,100
there's a video I posted two days ago it

1796
01:11:50,510 --> 01:11:44,699
was a case of a pilot exciting in March

1797
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:50,520
uh in 19 2020 and the pilot described an

1798
01:11:53,870 --> 01:11:52,020
object being about a thousand feet away

1799
01:11:55,850 --> 01:11:53,880
outside of the plane following them

1800
01:11:58,189 --> 01:11:55,860
going at a high rate of speed just as

1801
01:12:00,530 --> 01:11:58,199
fast as the plane well you look at the

1802
01:12:02,270 --> 01:12:00,540
actual video and it's pretty clear it's

1803
01:12:04,010 --> 01:12:02,280
probably Venus it's like a bright Planet

1804
01:12:05,930 --> 01:12:04,020
it's nowhere near the actual plane the

1805
01:12:08,330 --> 01:12:05,940
witness testimony does not match with

1806
01:12:10,010 --> 01:12:08,340
the video they recorded the entire time

1807
01:12:11,510 --> 01:12:10,020
and you actually go read the narcap

1808
01:12:13,250 --> 01:12:11,520
report on that and you think that maybe

1809
01:12:16,189 --> 01:12:13,260
they would try and explain it away as

1810
01:12:17,990 --> 01:12:16,199
Venus the problem though is the report

1811
01:12:20,209 --> 01:12:18,000
and I love narcab I think they're one of

1812
01:12:22,010 --> 01:12:20,219
the more serious organizations but they

1813
01:12:24,590 --> 01:12:22,020
took everything the pilot said as an

1814
01:12:26,689 --> 01:12:24,600
absolute fact and worked from there like

1815
01:12:28,490 --> 01:12:26,699
they didn't ever try to identify it as

1816
01:12:30,110 --> 01:12:28,500
an astronomical body even though that's

1817
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:30,120
what it probably almost certainly is

1818
01:12:34,370 --> 01:12:32,880
they assumed everything the pilot said

1819
01:12:36,770 --> 01:12:34,380
about how fast it was going that was

1820
01:12:38,450 --> 01:12:36,780
right near them was true and then came

1821
01:12:40,970 --> 01:12:38,460
up with the conclusions based on that

1822
01:12:42,410 --> 01:12:40,980
and I found a lot of the people that do

1823
01:12:43,850 --> 01:12:42,420
try and approach this topic more

1824
01:12:45,410 --> 01:12:43,860
scientifically but are still True

1825
01:12:48,169 --> 01:12:45,420
Believers are doing the same thing

1826
01:12:50,810 --> 01:12:48,179
they're they're trying to use science

1827
01:12:53,930 --> 01:12:50,820
and their degrees to promote a

1828
01:12:56,750 --> 01:12:53,940
belief-based narrative based on shoddy

1829
01:12:58,130 --> 01:12:56,760
evidence and that's and then you just

1830
01:13:00,169 --> 01:12:58,140
end up getting people doing what they do

1831
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,179
appealing to people's degrees but Travis

1832
01:13:05,149 --> 01:13:02,880
Taylor has phds so you don't know

1833
01:13:07,189 --> 01:13:05,159
anything and he does like I'm sorry like

1834
01:13:09,470 --> 01:13:07,199
Travis Taylor may be a smart guy but

1835
01:13:12,350 --> 01:13:09,480
he's also a true believer allow these

1836
01:13:14,090 --> 01:13:12,360
people True Believers and the fact that

1837
01:13:15,890 --> 01:13:14,100
they have degrees doesn't change the

1838
01:13:18,770 --> 01:13:15,900
fact that their analysis was just bad

1839
01:13:20,930 --> 01:13:18,780
and you don't have it you don't have to

1840
01:13:22,430 --> 01:13:20,940
have a PhD to see that it's bad

1841
01:13:24,590 --> 01:13:22,440
I mean

1842
01:13:27,229 --> 01:13:24,600
yeah amen and I think you're right I

1843
01:13:29,390 --> 01:13:27,239
think a lot of people you know the right

1844
01:13:31,669 --> 01:13:29,400
way to investigate is to look at all of

1845
01:13:33,229 --> 01:13:31,679
the evidence and and draw the best

1846
01:13:34,910 --> 01:13:33,239
conclusion that you can based on all

1847
01:13:36,709 --> 01:13:34,920
available evidence but it does seem like

1848
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:36,719
some people have already made their

1849
01:13:43,130 --> 01:13:39,000
conclusion and then they try to cherry

1850
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:43,140
pick available evidence you know to to

1851
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:46,560
get the to get to the alien explanation

1852
01:13:53,090 --> 01:13:50,719
or the mystery explanation even you know

1853
01:13:54,890 --> 01:13:53,100
it's it's unfortunate but you're right

1854
01:13:56,689 --> 01:13:54,900
and and then we've got these True

1855
01:13:57,649 --> 01:13:56,699
Believers like how put off and Eric

1856
01:13:59,930 --> 01:13:57,659
Davis

1857
01:14:01,729 --> 01:13:59,940
you know that are science guys great

1858
01:14:04,130 --> 01:14:01,739
you're a science guy but you're also a

1859
01:14:07,550 --> 01:14:04,140
wackadoo you were like put off a high

1860
01:14:10,070 --> 01:14:07,560
level Scientologist you know if this guy

1861
01:14:12,530 --> 01:14:10,080
believes in Xanadu or whatever in

1862
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:12,540
Scientology then I don't really trust

1863
01:14:18,290 --> 01:14:15,840
his scientific analysis of anything and

1864
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:18,300
I I actually knew and followed Eric

1865
01:14:24,050 --> 01:14:21,120
Davis before I knew he was into UFOs

1866
01:14:25,970 --> 01:14:24,060
like I I used to do a lot of studying

1867
01:14:28,130 --> 01:14:25,980
I've basically speculative propulsion

1868
01:14:30,110 --> 01:14:28,140
methods and whatnot and for example he

1869
01:14:32,209 --> 01:14:30,120
edited a book with Mark Millis who ran

1870
01:14:34,189 --> 01:14:32,219
the brakesby propulsion project at Nasa

1871
01:14:36,050 --> 01:14:34,199
looking at all these different you know

1872
01:14:37,970 --> 01:14:36,060
speculative ways to like for

1873
01:14:40,070 --> 01:14:37,980
anti-gravity and other faster than light

1874
01:14:42,410 --> 01:14:40,080
travel and so I actually followed all

1875
01:14:45,050 --> 01:14:42,420
that stuff and I have no doubt the guy's

1876
01:14:47,510 --> 01:14:45,060
a smart dude but he's also kind of a

1877
01:14:49,310 --> 01:14:47,520
real True Believer in this topic a lot

1878
01:14:51,470 --> 01:14:49,320
of these guys are smart they just kind

1879
01:14:55,070 --> 01:14:51,480
of you know move out of their Lane like

1880
01:14:58,610 --> 01:14:55,080
I I sure like Gary Nolan's a very smart

1881
01:15:01,430 --> 01:14:58,620
guy in his field but they try and like

1882
01:15:02,750 --> 01:15:01,440
yeah and yeah he's an immunologist so I

1883
01:15:05,149 --> 01:15:02,760
don't think he's qualified to do

1884
01:15:07,310 --> 01:15:05,159
Material Science but he's

1885
01:15:10,729 --> 01:15:07,320
he's going to bring you know he's going

1886
01:15:13,189 --> 01:15:10,739
to do materials analysis or or even DNA

1887
01:15:14,630 --> 01:15:13,199
analysis I mean he did he did that at a

1888
01:15:17,450 --> 01:15:14,640
comma thing with a bunch of other people

1889
01:15:19,070 --> 01:15:17,460
ran it but if you're an immunologist I

1890
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:19,080
think you should stay in your lane and

1891
01:15:23,870 --> 01:15:21,540
not start talking about you know alien

1892
01:15:25,189 --> 01:15:23,880
possibly alien materials that people are

1893
01:15:27,590 --> 01:15:25,199
sending you

1894
01:15:29,270 --> 01:15:27,600
and it'd be like me commenting on

1895
01:15:32,270 --> 01:15:29,280
something that's totally outside of my

1896
01:15:33,649 --> 01:15:32,280
field you know like my background is

1897
01:15:35,630 --> 01:15:33,659
computer science

1898
01:15:37,610 --> 01:15:35,640
yeah I'm not going to really comment on

1899
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,620
like radar systems because I'm not an

1900
01:15:40,669 --> 01:15:39,120
expert in those things even though they

1901
01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:40,679
might be computer controlled or computer

1902
01:15:45,490 --> 01:15:43,620
enhanced or computer you know whatever I

1903
01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:45,500
don't know radar systems so I'm not

1904
01:15:50,870 --> 01:15:48,360
qualified in that area

1905
01:15:53,090 --> 01:15:50,880
this is yeah it's problematic when these

1906
01:15:54,950 --> 01:15:53,100
guys come out acting like UFO experts

1907
01:15:56,930 --> 01:15:54,960
because you just get a lot of people

1908
01:15:59,149 --> 01:15:56,940
appealing to their Authority appealing

1909
01:16:01,370 --> 01:15:59,159
to their degrees and you know these guys

1910
01:16:03,229 --> 01:16:01,380
got PhD so obviously they know better

1911
01:16:05,930 --> 01:16:03,239
than any of the rest of us about this

1912
01:16:07,310 --> 01:16:05,940
and it's like that's just that's not the

1913
01:16:09,169 --> 01:16:07,320
case like and there's no reason to

1914
01:16:11,450 --> 01:16:09,179
believe that as you pointed out like

1915
01:16:13,610 --> 01:16:11,460
Nolan got involved in this topic back

1916
01:16:18,050 --> 01:16:13,620
with Greer and the Atacama alien

1917
01:16:20,930 --> 01:16:18,060
nonsense like he these guys may be

1918
01:16:23,990 --> 01:16:20,940
intelligent guys with you know

1919
01:16:26,990 --> 01:16:24,000
Advanced degrees but they're also being

1920
01:16:31,070 --> 01:16:27,000
driven by belief and if you actually

1921
01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:31,080
study things like a a kind of a

1922
01:16:36,350 --> 01:16:33,480
to some people UFOs are their hobby like

1923
01:16:38,390 --> 01:16:36,360
UFOs are more my career my hobby is like

1924
01:16:41,390 --> 01:16:38,400
social psychology and studying like

1925
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:41,400
misinformation disinformation fake news

1926
01:16:47,110 --> 01:16:43,920
belief systems stuff like that well

1927
01:16:49,970 --> 01:16:47,120
those two go together very well though

1928
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:49,980
they go to the gate actually and one of

1929
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,900
the things like you actually learn if

1930
01:16:55,790 --> 01:16:53,280
you look at the academic literature is

1931
01:16:58,189 --> 01:16:55,800
some of the easiest people to fool and

1932
01:16:59,870 --> 01:16:58,199
trick are the people with Advanced

1933
01:17:01,189 --> 01:16:59,880
degrees and intelligent people because

1934
01:17:03,470 --> 01:17:01,199
what ends up happening is they

1935
01:17:05,510 --> 01:17:03,480
overestimate they have overconfidence in

1936
01:17:08,149 --> 01:17:05,520
their own ability to detect like Funk

1937
01:17:10,070 --> 01:17:08,159
and nonsense and that they basically end

1938
01:17:12,169 --> 01:17:10,080
up getting full they end up tricking

1939
01:17:15,410 --> 01:17:12,179
themselves like into believe in things

1940
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:15,420
and so having Advanced degrees doesn't

1941
01:17:20,630 --> 01:17:17,520
make you immune from you know being

1942
01:17:22,070 --> 01:17:20,640
susceptible to junk and nonsense and it

1943
01:17:24,530 --> 01:17:22,080
actually those people are some of the

1944
01:17:27,290 --> 01:17:24,540
people most susceptible to it and you

1945
01:17:29,209 --> 01:17:27,300
saw that you know we saw that a lot you

1946
01:17:31,490 --> 01:17:29,219
know and just the political Realm of the

1947
01:17:33,110 --> 01:17:31,500
last eight or nine years you know you

1948
01:17:35,570 --> 01:17:33,120
got a lot of really smart people

1949
01:17:38,270 --> 01:17:35,580
Advanced degrees just believe in like a

1950
01:17:40,729 --> 01:17:38,280
lot of misinformation and bunk you know

1951
01:17:42,770 --> 01:17:40,739
how many people you have uh I guess I

1952
01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:42,780
won't go into that uh don't want to get

1953
01:17:46,610 --> 01:17:44,280
your video censored from YouTube or

1954
01:17:49,310 --> 01:17:46,620
anything but uh yeah I mean being being

1955
01:17:52,550 --> 01:17:49,320
smart doesn't make you immune to

1956
01:17:54,530 --> 01:17:52,560
nonsense like

1957
01:17:56,630 --> 01:17:54,540
no you're right and some people just

1958
01:17:58,910 --> 01:17:56,640
have a belief system at some point they

1959
01:18:01,310 --> 01:17:58,920
get convinced and I'm pretty sure at one

1960
01:18:03,229 --> 01:18:01,320
point I was kind of convinced that there

1961
01:18:04,790 --> 01:18:03,239
had to be some sort of other

1962
01:18:07,910 --> 01:18:04,800
intelligence

1963
01:18:10,550 --> 01:18:07,920
and and I I have been using this term

1964
01:18:13,490 --> 01:18:10,560
more frequently the nhi the non-human

1965
01:18:15,950 --> 01:18:13,500
intelligence I mean if we look if we do

1966
01:18:18,169 --> 01:18:15,960
look in in ancient texts and everything

1967
01:18:21,169 --> 01:18:18,179
there's always been some form of

1968
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,179
non-human intelligence interacting with

1969
01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:23,280
humans whether we called it an alien now

1970
01:18:27,649 --> 01:18:25,500
we're calling it aliens and it's from

1971
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,659
another star system before it was from

1972
01:18:31,970 --> 01:18:30,480
Heaven or Hell or the fairy world or any

1973
01:18:35,330 --> 01:18:31,980
of that kind of stuff

1974
01:18:36,410 --> 01:18:35,340
different human intelligence non-human

1975
01:18:38,510 --> 01:18:36,420
intelligence

1976
01:18:40,729 --> 01:18:38,520
you know I would think that there

1977
01:18:42,530 --> 01:18:40,739
probably has to be in the vastness of

1978
01:18:44,450 --> 01:18:42,540
the universe but somewhere along the

1979
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:44,460
lines some of these people seem to get

1980
01:18:47,990 --> 01:18:46,020
absolutely convinced and then they

1981
01:18:49,850 --> 01:18:48,000
cherry pick the data to fit their

1982
01:18:52,610 --> 01:18:49,860
pre-drawn conclusion and that's a

1983
01:18:55,310 --> 01:18:52,620
dangerous place to be well what you hear

1984
01:18:58,189 --> 01:18:55,320
from a lot of people is that they've had

1985
01:18:59,630 --> 01:18:58,199
an experience of some kind and that

1986
01:19:02,030 --> 01:18:59,640
basically convinced them that everything

1987
01:19:04,550 --> 01:19:02,040
else has to be true because they've had

1988
01:19:05,810 --> 01:19:04,560
an experience or or they've seen you

1989
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:05,820
know I've heard people say like I've

1990
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,440
seen some that looks just like a sports

1991
01:19:12,350 --> 01:19:09,840
model so Bob is our story has to be fact

1992
01:19:14,030 --> 01:19:12,360
like just because you've had your own

1993
01:19:17,450 --> 01:19:14,040
experience does not add any more

1994
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:17,460
credibility to any previous cases like

1995
01:19:22,189 --> 01:19:20,400
uh but I do believe that there's

1996
01:19:24,169 --> 01:19:22,199
probably an I think it's an almost

1997
01:19:27,110 --> 01:19:24,179
certainty that there's intelligent life

1998
01:19:29,209 --> 01:19:27,120
out in the universe and elsewhere

1999
01:19:30,830 --> 01:19:29,219
um is it visiting us I don't know for

2000
01:19:33,530 --> 01:19:30,840
the longest time when I first you know

2001
01:19:35,390 --> 01:19:33,540
was younger I was a firm firmly on the

2002
01:19:37,850 --> 01:19:35,400
side of the eth the Extraterrestrial

2003
01:19:39,169 --> 01:19:37,860
hypothesis I mean and if I think of a

2004
01:19:41,149 --> 01:19:39,179
lot of people being honest like they

2005
01:19:44,530 --> 01:19:41,159
want it to be aliens like they don't

2006
01:19:47,750 --> 01:19:44,540
want it to be you know some you know

2007
01:19:50,750 --> 01:19:47,760
ambiguous thing they want UFOs and uops

2008
01:19:52,370 --> 01:19:50,760
to be aliens and I I never had a problem

2009
01:19:54,110 --> 01:19:52,380
with the word alien or extraterrestrial

2010
01:19:55,850 --> 01:19:54,120
in fact I kind of I thought it was kind

2011
01:19:57,649 --> 01:19:55,860
of funny when I actually got on Twitter

2012
01:19:59,990 --> 01:19:57,659
last summer that

2013
01:20:02,030 --> 01:20:00,000
people would get mad at you for saying

2014
01:20:03,910 --> 01:20:02,040
alien or E.T they acted like you were

2015
01:20:07,490 --> 01:20:03,920
stigmatizing the topic

2016
01:20:09,830 --> 01:20:07,500
alien or no that Anthony lady said that

2017
01:20:12,649 --> 01:20:09,840
that was a racist term to call them

2018
01:20:16,130 --> 01:20:12,659
alien is a racist term somehow so that

2019
01:20:18,229 --> 01:20:16,140
was like alien really just it's the

2020
01:20:20,330 --> 01:20:18,239
other it's something other than you like

2021
01:20:22,790 --> 01:20:20,340
it you know alien is pretty

2022
01:20:24,790 --> 01:20:22,800
all-encompassing like the word alien

2023
01:20:31,010 --> 01:20:24,800
existed long before

2024
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:31,020
illegal aliens you know I've got a book

2025
01:20:35,390 --> 01:20:33,840
that's not about aliens as people now

2026
01:20:38,990 --> 01:20:35,400
consider them at all called Romans and

2027
01:20:40,490 --> 01:20:39,000
Aliens it's all about the the others and

2028
01:20:42,229 --> 01:20:40,500
these other groups of people and how

2029
01:20:45,470 --> 01:20:42,239
they interacted with the Romans back in

2030
01:20:46,610 --> 01:20:45,480
the day uh but so yeah like I said I got

2031
01:20:48,649 --> 01:20:46,620
on the topic and people started saying

2032
01:20:51,229 --> 01:20:48,659
oh you can't alien that's bad ET that's

2033
01:20:53,330 --> 01:20:51,239
bad that's stigmatizing but the problem

2034
01:20:56,030 --> 01:20:53,340
is what are the Alternatives like if

2035
01:20:59,050 --> 01:20:56,040
it's going to be anything I think E.T is

2036
01:21:02,990 --> 01:20:59,060
more scientifically valid then say

2037
01:21:04,669 --> 01:21:03,000
crypto terrestrial interdimensional yeah

2038
01:21:07,310 --> 01:21:04,679
all of that stuff other things because

2039
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,320
at least with extraterrestrial we have

2040
01:21:11,390 --> 01:21:09,600
we don't know how it's been done but we

2041
01:21:13,130 --> 01:21:11,400
have theoretical ideas of how things

2042
01:21:15,229 --> 01:21:13,140
like fast food might travel could occur

2043
01:21:17,750 --> 01:21:15,239
within the realm of physics that we

2044
01:21:19,729 --> 01:21:17,760
understand like that's at least possible

2045
01:21:21,830 --> 01:21:19,739
if our fetch like they don't even know

2046
01:21:24,590 --> 01:21:21,840
how you rip holes into different

2047
01:21:26,450 --> 01:21:24,600
dimensions and travel that way or any of

2048
01:21:29,090 --> 01:21:26,460
these other topics that people think is

2049
01:21:31,130 --> 01:21:29,100
less stigmatizing are actually the more

2050
01:21:32,870 --> 01:21:31,140
kind of crazy out there like ideas and

2051
01:21:33,770 --> 01:21:32,880
hypothesis that you could have for this

2052
01:21:36,649 --> 01:21:33,780
topic

2053
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:36,659
it's just uh like I said I was fine with

2054
01:21:40,430 --> 01:21:38,580
you know Stan Freeman flying saucers we

2055
01:21:43,149 --> 01:21:40,440
we want the flying saucers we don't care

2056
01:21:46,189 --> 01:21:43,159
about the other stuff like

2057
01:21:49,370 --> 01:21:46,199
where I am yeah that's that was kind of

2058
01:21:52,669 --> 01:21:49,380
my I I sort of adopted that myself and

2059
01:21:54,470 --> 01:21:52,679
if if it is some ordinary Earthly object

2060
01:21:56,290 --> 01:21:54,480
I want to identify it as quickly as

2061
01:21:58,850 --> 01:21:56,300
possible and move on to the next

2062
01:22:01,070 --> 01:21:58,860
situation because I don't care about any

2063
01:22:03,890 --> 01:22:01,080
of those things I just don't you know

2064
01:22:06,890 --> 01:22:03,900
and I was I was the big nuts and bolts

2065
01:22:11,570 --> 01:22:06,900
guy for a very long time and you know if

2066
01:22:12,950 --> 01:22:11,580
what what UFOs ultimate turn out to be

2067
01:22:15,590 --> 01:22:12,960
um as if they're actually just one thing

2068
01:22:18,530 --> 01:22:15,600
like that the UF UFOs basically

2069
01:22:20,030 --> 01:22:18,540
encompasses all sorts of things from you

2070
01:22:22,689 --> 01:22:20,040
know astronomical phenomena

2071
01:22:26,450 --> 01:22:22,699
meteorological stuff planes you know

2072
01:22:29,030 --> 01:22:26,460
Stars you know bowl lights uh

2073
01:22:31,790 --> 01:22:29,040
psychological aberrations Visual and

2074
01:22:34,370 --> 01:22:31,800
cognitive distortions and illusions that

2075
01:22:36,770 --> 01:22:34,380
people experience like there's all sorts

2076
01:22:39,229 --> 01:22:36,780
of things that can explain UFOs and as

2077
01:22:40,430 --> 01:22:39,239
like studied more and more of this topic

2078
01:22:43,970 --> 01:22:40,440
and kind of got more into things like

2079
01:22:46,250 --> 01:22:43,980
social psychology I started to kind of

2080
01:22:47,930 --> 01:22:46,260
realize you I don't really need to have

2081
01:22:50,149 --> 01:22:47,940
an ultimate belief as to what I think

2082
01:22:52,010 --> 01:22:50,159
UFOs are or what I hope them to be I'm

2083
01:22:54,410 --> 01:22:52,020
kind of agnostic about all of that like

2084
01:22:56,689 --> 01:22:54,420
I'm agnostic as to what the Ultimate

2085
01:22:59,030 --> 01:22:56,699
Reality of UFOs are if it turns out none

2086
01:23:00,950 --> 01:22:59,040
of them are out of this world I'll be

2087
01:23:03,290 --> 01:23:00,960
fine with that too I think there's just

2088
01:23:05,149 --> 01:23:03,300
there's a lot of very interesting ways

2089
01:23:07,010 --> 01:23:05,159
to look at this topic that doesn't need

2090
01:23:10,130 --> 01:23:07,020
to be about belief or having a belief

2091
01:23:12,590 --> 01:23:10,140
system about what the UFO is or isn't

2092
01:23:14,270 --> 01:23:12,600
you know it's and and too many people

2093
01:23:16,010 --> 01:23:14,280
get caught in that kind of trap where

2094
01:23:18,410 --> 01:23:16,020
they they get their favorite kind of

2095
01:23:20,630 --> 01:23:18,420
idea and

2096
01:23:22,189 --> 01:23:20,640
it makes them angry at people that don't

2097
01:23:25,550 --> 01:23:22,199
believe it they don't want to listen to

2098
01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:25,560
anything else like it's I think yeah you

2099
01:23:30,649 --> 01:23:27,120
know I'm always interested in like

2100
01:23:33,110 --> 01:23:30,659
listen if if somebody you know is

2101
01:23:34,850 --> 01:23:33,120
completely and totally on the other side

2102
01:23:37,250 --> 01:23:34,860
of the fence from me

2103
01:23:38,570 --> 01:23:37,260
it doesn't preclude me from having a

2104
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:38,580
conversation and trying to understand

2105
01:23:42,770 --> 01:23:40,800
their point of view but it does seem

2106
01:23:44,330 --> 01:23:42,780
like on that side they really don't want

2107
01:23:46,790 --> 01:23:44,340
to talk to anybody that's skeptical

2108
01:23:49,370 --> 01:23:46,800
because they have this delusion bubble

2109
01:23:52,669 --> 01:23:49,380
or something that they're focused in and

2110
01:23:55,370 --> 01:23:52,679
and uh you know they it's like only

2111
01:23:57,770 --> 01:23:55,380
hanging out with people of a certain I

2112
01:23:59,870 --> 01:23:57,780
don't know ethnicity or religion or I

2113
01:24:02,149 --> 01:23:59,880
think it's very limiting you know they

2114
01:24:03,830 --> 01:24:02,159
they create their little Echo Chambers

2115
01:24:06,530 --> 01:24:03,840
you know their own little filter bubbles

2116
01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:06,540
like of reality where they only want to

2117
01:24:11,090 --> 01:24:09,360
hear people that agree with them and I

2118
01:24:13,490 --> 01:24:11,100
mean can you can you imagine how many

2119
01:24:15,350 --> 01:24:13,500
followers I followers I would have if I

2120
01:24:16,970 --> 01:24:15,360
was you know one of these two Believers

2121
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:16,980
that I was all into the alien narrative

2122
01:24:21,590 --> 01:24:19,679
like them but yeah because you could you

2123
01:24:25,669 --> 01:24:21,600
could just be regurgitating historical

2124
01:24:28,610 --> 01:24:25,679
cases every day to to generate interests

2125
01:24:31,729 --> 01:24:28,620
yeah and I could get a ton of hours but

2126
01:24:33,530 --> 01:24:31,739
but but that gets ignored because I try

2127
01:24:36,229 --> 01:24:33,540
to approach this topic more skeptically

2128
01:24:38,090 --> 01:24:36,239
and I think that that's the only way to

2129
01:24:40,010 --> 01:24:38,100
approach it I think that's I think

2130
01:24:42,229 --> 01:24:40,020
that's important that you approach the

2131
01:24:43,850 --> 01:24:42,239
topic that way if you want you know to

2132
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:43,860
come up with some real answers if you

2133
01:24:47,870 --> 01:24:45,300
want to you know purchase topic

2134
01:24:49,790 --> 01:24:47,880
seriously skepticism gets just this

2135
01:24:51,890 --> 01:24:49,800
really bad name

2136
01:24:53,330 --> 01:24:51,900
um particularly like on UFO Twitter like

2137
01:24:55,550 --> 01:24:53,340
they act like it's an insult to be

2138
01:24:57,890 --> 01:24:55,560
called a skeptic like what it's not an

2139
01:25:00,169 --> 01:24:57,900
insult like it really isn't like you

2140
01:25:03,110 --> 01:25:00,179
should be skeptical like that's

2141
01:25:06,050 --> 01:25:03,120
basically how science works you know is

2142
01:25:08,390 --> 01:25:06,060
you know trying to come up with answers

2143
01:25:10,490 --> 01:25:08,400
and explanations and I think when

2144
01:25:12,530 --> 01:25:10,500
looking at verifying any claim it's

2145
01:25:15,649 --> 01:25:12,540
important to you know using the Occam's

2146
01:25:17,270 --> 01:25:15,659
razor or or I prefer uh like the law of

2147
01:25:20,330 --> 01:25:17,280
parsimony or the principle of parsimony

2148
01:25:22,669 --> 01:25:20,340
because you know this this other side

2149
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:22,679
tends to take words and like twist them

2150
01:25:26,750 --> 01:25:24,840
around like so now people misrepresent

2151
01:25:28,310 --> 01:25:26,760
what Occam's razor is and try and give

2152
01:25:30,770 --> 01:25:28,320
it a bad name and talk crap about it

2153
01:25:33,470 --> 01:25:30,780
people talk crap about skepticism they

2154
01:25:34,810 --> 01:25:33,480
talk crap about debunking they they try

2155
01:25:37,370 --> 01:25:34,820
and like make all these things

2156
01:25:38,750 --> 01:25:37,380
derogatory words like without really

2157
01:25:41,810 --> 01:25:38,760
understanding the process or what's

2158
01:25:43,669 --> 01:25:41,820
going on and it's because I care about

2159
01:25:46,390 --> 01:25:43,679
this topic that I think you need to be

2160
01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:46,400
skeptical not the opposite way around

2161
01:25:51,410 --> 01:25:49,320
and it gets a bit tiring people always

2162
01:25:52,970 --> 01:25:51,420
saying oh you just must be scared of the

2163
01:25:54,830 --> 01:25:52,980
truth like your whole world would

2164
01:25:57,410 --> 01:25:54,840
shatter yeah you and I have experienced

2165
01:25:59,209 --> 01:25:57,420
a lot a lot of those same things and

2166
01:26:01,189 --> 01:25:59,219
like you don't know me that's not all

2167
01:26:03,649 --> 01:26:01,199
what I think like it's quite the

2168
01:26:06,050 --> 01:26:03,659
opposite in fact like it's because I'm

2169
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,060
dedicated and care about this topic you

2170
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:08,400
know I wouldn't have spent all the time

2171
01:26:12,350 --> 01:26:10,800
and ridiculous amounts of money over the

2172
01:26:14,149 --> 01:26:12,360
years investigating this topic if I

2173
01:26:16,189 --> 01:26:14,159
thought it was just total nonsense like

2174
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:16,199
you literally quit your job or

2175
01:26:21,590 --> 01:26:19,260
livelihood to just do this so that that

2176
01:26:23,709 --> 01:26:21,600
to me is a strange form of dedication

2177
01:26:26,930 --> 01:26:23,719
that I I mean

2178
01:26:30,050 --> 01:26:26,940
what do people like Bigelow and you know

2179
01:26:32,270 --> 01:26:30,060
maybe Fugal like I've honestly probably

2180
01:26:35,870 --> 01:26:32,280
spent more money on this topic than most

2181
01:26:38,090 --> 01:26:35,880
people like I mean it's it's very very

2182
01:26:41,930 --> 01:26:38,100
high six figures that I've spent just in

2183
01:26:43,550 --> 01:26:41,940
the last 10 years on this topic like and

2184
01:26:45,649 --> 01:26:43,560
I wouldn't have done that I wouldn't

2185
01:26:47,450 --> 01:26:45,659
have put myself in the financial crap

2186
01:26:49,310 --> 01:26:47,460
hole I'm in right now you know doing

2187
01:26:51,229 --> 01:26:49,320
that if I wasn't truly interested in the

2188
01:26:52,430 --> 01:26:51,239
plastic and I wanted it to be taken

2189
01:26:55,129 --> 01:26:52,440
seriously

2190
01:26:56,990 --> 01:26:55,139
and it's it's a shame that the people

2191
01:26:58,970 --> 01:26:57,000
that do take it seriously it's it's a

2192
01:27:01,129 --> 01:26:58,980
very small community I pointed it out

2193
01:27:04,310 --> 01:27:01,139
before that a lot of people don't really

2194
01:27:07,250 --> 01:27:04,320
understand like UFO Twitter is almost

2195
01:27:09,649 --> 01:27:07,260
like this separate like sub community of

2196
01:27:11,450 --> 01:27:09,659
like the entire UFO Community yeah

2197
01:27:13,250 --> 01:27:11,460
there's tons of people into UFOs that

2198
01:27:15,410 --> 01:27:13,260
aren't on there at all we have to

2199
01:27:18,290 --> 01:27:15,420
remember that and I just got on last

2200
01:27:20,450 --> 01:27:18,300
summer you know uh and most of the

2201
01:27:22,370 --> 01:27:20,460
people I respect in this field aren't

2202
01:27:24,410 --> 01:27:22,380
even on Facebook or they're barely on

2203
01:27:26,090 --> 01:27:24,420
Facebook they're not using Twitter you

2204
01:27:28,370 --> 01:27:26,100
know I go and talk to like the history

2205
01:27:29,930 --> 01:27:28,380
group guys they don't know who any of

2206
01:27:31,669 --> 01:27:29,940
these people UFO Twitter are talking

2207
01:27:33,550 --> 01:27:31,679
about are you know they don't know who

2208
01:27:36,110 --> 01:27:33,560
King Milford is

2209
01:27:38,930 --> 01:27:36,120
they don't even know who Jay Stratton is

2210
01:27:42,649 --> 01:27:38,940
like they don't care like a lot of them

2211
01:27:45,169 --> 01:27:42,659
like it's just like they're not they're

2212
01:27:47,629 --> 01:27:45,179
not impressed with all this post 2017

2213
01:27:49,669 --> 01:27:47,639
stuff and they don't and they're not

2214
01:27:52,370 --> 01:27:49,679
interested in like this whole UFO

2215
01:27:55,850 --> 01:27:52,380
celebrity culture that exists online

2216
01:27:57,470 --> 01:27:55,860
where everybody has a podcast now and

2217
01:27:59,330 --> 01:27:57,480
everyone's building these huge

2218
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,340
followings and making money on this

2219
01:28:03,110 --> 01:28:01,679
topic and that just that doesn't even

2220
01:28:04,610 --> 01:28:03,120
like it doesn't even enter their world

2221
01:28:07,610 --> 01:28:04,620
view like they don't even hear about

2222
01:28:09,229 --> 01:28:07,620
that stuff like like I said a lot of the

2223
01:28:10,910 --> 01:28:09,239
best research is the people you don't

2224
01:28:13,189 --> 01:28:10,920
hear about unless you're really into

2225
01:28:17,090 --> 01:28:13,199
this topic like

2226
01:28:19,010 --> 01:28:17,100
UFO Twitter is not ufology just like

2227
01:28:20,689 --> 01:28:19,020
I've said before I don't think the whole

2228
01:28:23,030 --> 01:28:20,699
Stephen Greer side of your apologies

2229
01:28:25,250 --> 01:28:23,040
ufology like he's his own separate

2230
01:28:26,530 --> 01:28:25,260
Community as well that's a cult right

2231
01:28:29,570 --> 01:28:26,540
there yeah

2232
01:28:31,550 --> 01:28:29,580
there's all these people that like

2233
01:28:33,950 --> 01:28:31,560
there isn't just like one Community

2234
01:28:35,810 --> 01:28:33,960
ufology isn't really a community UFO

2235
01:28:37,550 --> 01:28:35,820
Twitter is not a community like they're

2236
01:28:39,350 --> 01:28:37,560
just it's a bunch of like clicks and

2237
01:28:42,169 --> 01:28:39,360
Niche groups that each like have their

2238
01:28:43,729 --> 01:28:42,179
own little Echo Chambers and ideas where

2239
01:28:46,490 --> 01:28:43,739
they all just hate each other and it's

2240
01:28:49,250 --> 01:28:46,500
so divisive and ridiculous it's

2241
01:28:51,290 --> 01:28:49,260
it's we don't I use to get along with I

2242
01:28:53,510 --> 01:28:51,300
don't even agree with a lot of what like

2243
01:28:55,070 --> 01:28:53,520
people that I respect and think of some

2244
01:28:57,590 --> 01:28:55,080
of the best researchers think you know

2245
01:29:00,050 --> 01:28:57,600
and that's perfectly fine we don't have

2246
01:29:02,090 --> 01:29:00,060
to think the same things like but we get

2247
01:29:03,950 --> 01:29:02,100
along because we have a mutual respect

2248
01:29:05,209 --> 01:29:03,960
with each other and we can act civil in

2249
01:29:07,550 --> 01:29:05,219
our discussions

2250
01:29:09,590 --> 01:29:07,560
that's why I I uh some of the best

2251
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:09,600
conversations I have are these days

2252
01:29:12,890 --> 01:29:11,040
there were just a small group of people

2253
01:29:14,649 --> 01:29:12,900
outside of Twitter

2254
01:29:17,149 --> 01:29:14,659
and yeah

2255
01:29:19,490 --> 01:29:17,159
because we don't agree on much at all

2256
01:29:22,610 --> 01:29:19,500
but because it's very toxic and then you

2257
01:29:24,590 --> 01:29:22,620
know there's this nonsensical uh some

2258
01:29:27,890 --> 01:29:24,600
approaches of people attacking each

2259
01:29:31,129 --> 01:29:27,900
other for you know why because I busted

2260
01:29:33,350 --> 01:29:31,139
your bubble like you can't we can't I'm

2261
01:29:35,510 --> 01:29:33,360
I'm okay with agreeing to disagree there

2262
01:29:37,370 --> 01:29:35,520
are some like sort of TR and I get a lot

2263
01:29:39,470 --> 01:29:37,380
of emails and correspond with a lot of

2264
01:29:40,910 --> 01:29:39,480
people and sometimes they're just on the

2265
01:29:43,010 --> 01:29:40,920
True Believer side and I have to

2266
01:29:46,129 --> 01:29:43,020
recognize that and accept it and just

2267
01:29:49,250 --> 01:29:46,139
say hey you know I'm you know people

2268
01:29:51,290 --> 01:29:49,260
will argue with me or say you know well

2269
01:29:52,490 --> 01:29:51,300
I'm gonna I've been abducted by alien

2270
01:29:54,169 --> 01:29:52,500
since I was a child so you don't

2271
01:29:56,629 --> 01:29:54,179
understand my perspective okay well

2272
01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:56,639
we'll agree to disagree though like we

2273
01:30:01,669 --> 01:29:59,400
can't I'm not gonna you know dox you and

2274
01:30:03,770 --> 01:30:01,679
scream at you or or put you on blast

2275
01:30:06,290 --> 01:30:03,780
every day on Twitter for three weeks

2276
01:30:09,050 --> 01:30:06,300
it's really childish some of that stuff

2277
01:30:12,290 --> 01:30:09,060
I wish it was better that's the thing

2278
01:30:14,030 --> 01:30:12,300
people like I'll point out you know like

2279
01:30:16,550 --> 01:30:14,040
silliest story like this are people

2280
01:30:20,090 --> 01:30:16,560
accuse me of attacking lizard personally

2281
01:30:22,010 --> 01:30:20,100
slandering him or I'll point out the bad

2282
01:30:24,110 --> 01:30:22,020
behavior that of something that's going

2283
01:30:26,689 --> 01:30:24,120
on in the community these Bad actors or

2284
01:30:28,790 --> 01:30:26,699
and people act like I'm being negative

2285
01:30:30,709 --> 01:30:28,800
but one thing I don't do is I'm never

2286
01:30:33,950 --> 01:30:30,719
actually making posts of personally

2287
01:30:36,290 --> 01:30:33,960
insult an individual I'll call out a

2288
01:30:38,209 --> 01:30:36,300
silly story I'll call out bad behavior

2289
01:30:40,490 --> 01:30:38,219
you know people that are actually I'm

2290
01:30:42,770 --> 01:30:40,500
probably guilty of that I I have said

2291
01:30:46,490 --> 01:30:42,780
something probably I'm trying to get

2292
01:30:49,250 --> 01:30:46,500
better yeah yeah and or say it say it

2293
01:30:51,290 --> 01:30:49,260
with a smile sarcastically and not

2294
01:30:53,330 --> 01:30:51,300
really be personally attacking I mean

2295
01:30:55,970 --> 01:30:53,340
you know we all have our moments where

2296
01:30:58,129 --> 01:30:55,980
you know like I I think I uh I think I

2297
01:31:00,530 --> 01:30:58,139
posted something about that Sean Cahill

2298
01:31:03,470 --> 01:31:00,540
video like here stupid you know here

2299
01:31:05,689 --> 01:31:03,480
here you here more more fake UFO videos

2300
01:31:08,090 --> 01:31:05,699
and Lou Alexander's backyard for the

2301
01:31:09,770 --> 01:31:08,100
stupid people yeah I don't really mean

2302
01:31:12,350 --> 01:31:09,780
to be personally insulting but I think

2303
01:31:14,689 --> 01:31:12,360
like I get upset at these people who are

2304
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:14,699
just blind only following this narrative

2305
01:31:19,729 --> 01:31:17,219
there being spoon fed and now we've got

2306
01:31:21,649 --> 01:31:19,739
you know we've got people like Stephen

2307
01:31:26,149 --> 01:31:21,659
Bassett saying that disclosure's coming

2308
01:31:31,970 --> 01:31:28,910
my whole life as soon as I yeah right

2309
01:31:33,470 --> 01:31:31,980
you know what's the great part Mr Knox I

2310
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:33,480
interviewed him and I gotta tell you

2311
01:31:38,689 --> 01:31:36,480
he's a great talker he really is a

2312
01:31:40,430 --> 01:31:38,699
convincing speaker right yeah so I'm

2313
01:31:43,550 --> 01:31:40,440
interviewing him and it's way early on

2314
01:31:46,729 --> 01:31:43,560
this is years ago probably like 2016 or

2315
01:31:48,890 --> 01:31:46,739
2015 even and I'm interviewing him and

2316
01:31:50,570 --> 01:31:48,900
I'm and it's like music to my ears

2317
01:31:52,850 --> 01:31:50,580
everything that he's saying you know

2318
01:31:54,890 --> 01:31:52,860
he's saying that the the veils of

2319
01:31:58,070 --> 01:31:54,900
secrecy are being lifted and slowly the

2320
01:31:59,570 --> 01:31:58,080
government is opening up and you know uh

2321
01:32:01,490 --> 01:31:59,580
we're we've got a lot of people working

2322
01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:01,500
behind the scenes for disclosure like he

2323
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:05,520
was so good and convincing and such a

2324
01:32:10,129 --> 01:32:08,159
great speaker that I was like in Florida

2325
01:32:11,930 --> 01:32:10,139
through the whole interview but then at

2326
01:32:15,110 --> 01:32:11,940
the end of the interview he gives this

2327
01:32:16,970 --> 01:32:15,120
big pitch about how he needs like thirty

2328
01:32:19,310 --> 01:32:16,980
thousand dollars so that he could go

2329
01:32:21,470 --> 01:32:19,320
Lobby Washington and here's my PayPal

2330
01:32:25,370 --> 01:32:21,480
and everybody's got to give me money and

2331
01:32:27,350 --> 01:32:25,380
I was just like nope you know and and

2332
01:32:29,209 --> 01:32:27,360
and and that's what there's things in it

2333
01:32:31,790 --> 01:32:29,219
and it made me go wait so you want

2334
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:31,800
people to pay your bills for like how

2335
01:32:35,810 --> 01:32:33,780
long so you get a free apartment in

2336
01:32:37,550 --> 01:32:35,820
Washington what senators are you going

2337
01:32:38,870 --> 01:32:37,560
to talk to what are you actually going

2338
01:32:41,270 --> 01:32:38,880
to affect

2339
01:32:43,790 --> 01:32:41,280
with this thirty thousand dollars but it

2340
01:32:46,550 --> 01:32:43,800
was this huge money pitch at the end of

2341
01:32:49,430 --> 01:32:46,560
the interview you know and then I felt

2342
01:32:51,649 --> 01:32:49,440
used and dirty I was like I felt like oh

2343
01:32:54,470 --> 01:32:51,659
man and then I felt like do I say

2344
01:32:56,510 --> 01:32:54,480
something like I edited in me saying

2345
01:32:58,250 --> 01:32:56,520
something after the interview because I

2346
01:33:00,470 --> 01:32:58,260
didn't want my audience I felt like felt

2347
01:33:02,390 --> 01:33:00,480
like he was grifting the audience that I

2348
01:33:04,729 --> 01:33:02,400
the little he didn't know but my

2349
01:33:06,229 --> 01:33:04,739
audience was like this big back then you

2350
01:33:08,149 --> 01:33:06,239
know I was like but I still I didn't

2351
01:33:10,189 --> 01:33:08,159
want people to feel I didn't want to

2352
01:33:12,169 --> 01:33:10,199
feel like I helped a grifter get free

2353
01:33:14,750 --> 01:33:12,179
money you know you could do a whole

2354
01:33:16,430 --> 01:33:14,760
montage of all the times that you know

2355
01:33:18,229 --> 01:33:16,440
Stephen Bassett has said that

2356
01:33:19,490 --> 01:33:18,239
disclosures you know just around the

2357
01:33:21,530 --> 01:33:19,500
corner

2358
01:33:24,229 --> 01:33:21,540
um I I want to answer something in the

2359
01:33:26,330 --> 01:33:24,239
chat real quick this book series that's

2360
01:33:28,129 --> 01:33:26,340
the Oxford very short introduction

2361
01:33:31,490 --> 01:33:28,139
series just short little introductions

2362
01:33:34,310 --> 01:33:31,500
to topics like uh

2363
01:33:37,610 --> 01:33:34,320
Superstition a very short introduction

2364
01:33:39,590 --> 01:33:37,620
oh that's cool new advice uh Stuart Vice

2365
01:33:42,050 --> 01:33:39,600
has another great book I have over there

2366
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:42,060
called believing in Magic that you know

2367
01:33:45,890 --> 01:33:43,980
oh I like that and I like quick reads

2368
01:33:47,810 --> 01:33:45,900
you know yeah so yeah you know you're

2369
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:47,820
not gonna be there for 10 days trying to

2370
01:33:52,550 --> 01:33:50,040
read that book it's a quick one yeah

2371
01:33:55,189 --> 01:33:52,560
those are mostly about like philosophy

2372
01:33:58,430 --> 01:33:55,199
and like astrobiology philosophy of

2373
01:34:00,050 --> 01:33:58,440
science you know myth stuff like that

2374
01:34:02,030 --> 01:34:00,060
um I like them because you can read them

2375
01:34:04,550 --> 01:34:02,040
you know in like a day they're usually

2376
01:34:07,189 --> 01:34:04,560
only like 100 to 200 pages and get a

2377
01:34:08,090 --> 01:34:07,199
basic brief overview of the topic

2378
01:34:10,490 --> 01:34:08,100
um

2379
01:34:12,830 --> 01:34:10,500
going back to disclosure anyway uh you

2380
01:34:15,290 --> 01:34:12,840
know Isaac Coy did a thread I believe an

2381
01:34:17,090 --> 01:34:15,300
Above Top Secret basically of just all

2382
01:34:19,010 --> 01:34:17,100
these times in the last like 75 years

2383
01:34:21,290 --> 01:34:19,020
people said disclosure is just around

2384
01:34:24,169 --> 01:34:21,300
the corner just around the corner it

2385
01:34:25,850 --> 01:34:24,179
always is people wonder why people on

2386
01:34:28,729 --> 01:34:25,860
the topic like me that have been around

2387
01:34:30,770 --> 01:34:28,739
a bit longer are kind of really hesitant

2388
01:34:32,390 --> 01:34:30,780
about this idea of disclosure it's

2389
01:34:34,250 --> 01:34:32,400
because that same story has been being

2390
01:34:37,129 --> 01:34:34,260
told since the beginning of modern

2391
01:34:40,370 --> 01:34:37,139
ufology and nothing ever comes out of it

2392
01:34:42,350 --> 01:34:40,380
like nothing you know I I I would be

2393
01:34:46,430 --> 01:34:42,360
happy if this time is any different but

2394
01:34:49,550 --> 01:34:46,440
I don't think disclosure is even a a

2395
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:49,560
real concept like disclosure to people

2396
01:34:53,090 --> 01:34:51,360
kind of assumes the government has

2397
01:34:54,770 --> 01:34:53,100
something to disclose in the first place

2398
01:34:56,930 --> 01:34:54,780
and for many people that's like they've

2399
01:34:58,189 --> 01:34:56,940
got the aliens and the craft saucers and

2400
01:34:59,930 --> 01:34:58,199
they're waiting for the government to

2401
01:35:01,669 --> 01:34:59,940
come out and tell you this well what if

2402
01:35:03,709 --> 01:35:01,679
they don't have that what are they going

2403
01:35:05,510 --> 01:35:03,719
to tell you and a lot of people conflate

2404
01:35:06,709 --> 01:35:05,520
this idea of transparency I think the

2405
01:35:08,570 --> 01:35:06,719
government should be more transparent

2406
01:35:10,189 --> 01:35:08,580
they should share somewhere like you

2407
01:35:11,990 --> 01:35:10,199
know the sensor data and other stuff for

2408
01:35:13,490 --> 01:35:12,000
cases with us they absolutely should be

2409
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:13,500
more transparent but that's not

2410
01:35:17,629 --> 01:35:15,360
disclosure that people are talking about

2411
01:35:19,129 --> 01:35:17,639
when people think of disclosure they

2412
01:35:20,689 --> 01:35:19,139
think the government actually knows

2413
01:35:22,189 --> 01:35:20,699
something and to be honest I'm not

2414
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:22,199
convinced the government knows anything

2415
01:35:25,850 --> 01:35:24,480
more than any of the rest of us do I

2416
01:35:28,310 --> 01:35:25,860
agree with you they might be just as

2417
01:35:30,830 --> 01:35:28,320
clueless as the rest of us right yeah

2418
01:35:32,930 --> 01:35:30,840
and you know it's not even just like me

2419
01:35:35,030 --> 01:35:32,940
saying this like even like Jacques valet

2420
01:35:36,830 --> 01:35:35,040
says this like he says he thinks the

2421
01:35:38,149 --> 01:35:36,840
idea of disclosure is kind of silly and

2422
01:35:39,610 --> 01:35:38,159
it presumes this idea that there's

2423
01:35:42,290 --> 01:35:39,620
anything to disclose in the first place

2424
01:35:44,510 --> 01:35:42,300
like it's

2425
01:35:47,510 --> 01:35:44,520
it's a it's more of like a hopeful

2426
01:35:49,790 --> 01:35:47,520
belief system that despite how many

2427
01:35:52,129 --> 01:35:49,800
times it fails to happen you know if you

2428
01:35:53,870 --> 01:35:52,139
read like the book by Leon festing girl

2429
01:35:55,970 --> 01:35:53,880
you know like when prophecy fails you

2430
01:35:57,649 --> 01:35:55,980
know these people just instead of you

2431
01:35:59,689 --> 01:35:57,659
know realizing it was nonsense they just

2432
01:36:01,430 --> 01:35:59,699
they double down on their beliefs and

2433
01:36:03,110 --> 01:36:01,440
just like get even bigger into it they

2434
01:36:06,830 --> 01:36:03,120
they push the date it's gonna happen

2435
01:36:08,330 --> 01:36:06,840
it's gonna happen and it's it's uh I'm

2436
01:36:12,729 --> 01:36:08,340
not sure there's ever going to be

2437
01:36:16,729 --> 01:36:14,810
ten dollars and thanks for being a

2438
01:36:18,590 --> 01:36:16,739
member says Bigelow spent money but that

2439
01:36:21,290 --> 01:36:18,600
doesn't make him an expert enjoy the

2440
01:36:23,810 --> 01:36:21,300
channel Stephen True Grit no BS thanks

2441
01:36:27,010 --> 01:36:23,820
for helping us to uh

2442
01:36:29,870 --> 01:36:27,020
don't break the cash

2443
01:36:33,530 --> 01:36:29,880
I need to I need to learn how to uh

2444
01:36:35,450 --> 01:36:33,540
praise the more cash I need that and

2445
01:36:37,070 --> 01:36:35,460
sizzix says what about I don't know if

2446
01:36:38,810 --> 01:36:37,080
that's a question for you I mean I'll

2447
01:36:41,209 --> 01:36:38,820
let you take that what about time travel

2448
01:36:43,370 --> 01:36:41,219
I bet David Wilcock knows what a Kind

2449
01:36:44,470 --> 01:36:43,380
and Generous five dollars praise the

2450
01:36:50,330 --> 01:36:44,480
cash

2451
01:36:53,450 --> 01:36:50,340
I'm traveling like what maybe that UFOs

2452
01:36:55,490 --> 01:36:53,460
are you know maybe us from the future or

2453
01:36:57,770 --> 01:36:55,500
something of that nature clarify if

2454
01:36:59,689 --> 01:36:57,780
that's a question for us I think he's

2455
01:37:01,310 --> 01:36:59,699
just making fun of David Wilcox though

2456
01:37:04,070 --> 01:37:01,320
you know we're supposed to have a hover

2457
01:37:05,330 --> 01:37:04,080
car from David Wilcock right now months

2458
01:37:07,250 --> 01:37:05,340
ago he was supposed to have a working

2459
01:37:10,910 --> 01:37:07,260
hover car prototype with a free energy

2460
01:37:14,090 --> 01:37:10,920
engine done speaking of grifters and uh

2461
01:37:16,250 --> 01:37:14,100
so far all he's got is 3D printed models

2462
01:37:17,390 --> 01:37:16,260
that look like GI Joe toys

2463
01:37:23,030 --> 01:37:17,400
yeah

2464
01:37:25,010 --> 01:37:23,040
that have addressed the idea of time

2465
01:37:27,290 --> 01:37:25,020
travel UFOs being time travel areas I

2466
01:37:29,450 --> 01:37:27,300
think the guy named Martin Davenport did

2467
01:37:31,550 --> 01:37:29,460
a book I think called visitors from time

2468
01:37:34,970 --> 01:37:31,560
or something and of course more recently

2469
01:37:37,910 --> 01:37:34,980
you have uh Dr Michael Masters uh did

2470
01:37:40,790 --> 01:37:37,920
his little his book on it um he actually

2471
01:37:43,970 --> 01:37:40,800
came to Oregon mufon for a meeting I

2472
01:37:46,189 --> 01:37:43,980
attended uh back when his book was first

2473
01:37:48,110 --> 01:37:46,199
coming out and I've actually got a bunch

2474
01:37:51,530 --> 01:37:48,120
of swag from his book glow in the dark

2475
01:37:55,010 --> 01:37:51,540
you know cups to drink out of

2476
01:37:57,709 --> 01:37:55,020
fun imprises that's a good thing you've

2477
01:38:00,050 --> 01:37:57,719
got to have fun in prizes yeah yeah and

2478
01:38:01,790 --> 01:38:00,060
it's I I think that's just as you know

2479
01:38:03,590 --> 01:38:01,800
every once in a while I have to try to

2480
01:38:06,350 --> 01:38:03,600
stay open-minded and one of the ways

2481
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:06,360
that I do is that that's just as

2482
01:38:11,629 --> 01:38:08,880
plausible of an explanation for like

2483
01:38:13,729 --> 01:38:11,639
craft that defy physics or have

2484
01:38:16,189 --> 01:38:13,739
extraordinary maneuverability or any of

2485
01:38:18,950 --> 01:38:16,199
these other claims that people make as

2486
01:38:21,350 --> 01:38:18,960
as alien spacecraft so I have to at

2487
01:38:23,209 --> 01:38:21,360
least stay open to the possibility but

2488
01:38:25,490 --> 01:38:23,219
then if you really go down that rabbit

2489
01:38:27,290 --> 01:38:25,500
hole it gets wacky fast because there's

2490
01:38:29,810 --> 01:38:27,300
people claiming the Grays are us in the

2491
01:38:31,250 --> 01:38:29,820
future and you know they screwed up

2492
01:38:33,530 --> 01:38:31,260
their evolution so they're coming back

2493
01:38:35,689 --> 01:38:33,540
to get genetic material it's a huge

2494
01:38:38,450 --> 01:38:35,699
rabbit hole that one you know I actually

2495
01:38:40,370 --> 01:38:38,460
watched the movie back in high school or

2496
01:38:42,050 --> 01:38:40,380
middle school I think it was back when

2497
01:38:43,250 --> 01:38:42,060
Sci-fi channel you know before they

2498
01:38:44,810 --> 01:38:43,260
changed the name when they used to have

2499
01:38:47,149 --> 01:38:44,820
their Saturday movies or whatever and

2500
01:38:49,490 --> 01:38:47,159
one of these watches that stuff yeah the

2501
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:49,500
whole plot was that basically the the

2502
01:38:53,990 --> 01:38:52,320
aliens and the Grays were uh and the UFO

2503
01:38:57,169 --> 01:38:54,000
was coming back from the future to kind

2504
01:38:59,510 --> 01:38:57,179
of help save Humanity now and the stuff

2505
01:39:02,390 --> 01:38:59,520
kind of goes way back and you know time

2506
01:39:04,430 --> 01:39:02,400
travel you know that's it's a hypothesis

2507
01:39:05,570 --> 01:39:04,440
and you can be open to that idea there's

2508
01:39:08,209 --> 01:39:05,580
a lot of things that are probably just

2509
01:39:11,149 --> 01:39:08,219
as valid explanations or potentially

2510
01:39:13,790 --> 01:39:11,159
valid explanations but the problem is

2511
01:39:15,649 --> 01:39:13,800
again I think you need proof like you

2512
01:39:18,110 --> 01:39:15,659
can leave it open like maybe that's it

2513
01:39:19,729 --> 01:39:18,120
but until there's some sort of actual

2514
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:19,739
evidence

2515
01:39:23,450 --> 01:39:21,600
you shouldn't go around claiming that's

2516
01:39:25,189 --> 01:39:23,460
what's happening or really I don't think

2517
01:39:27,649 --> 01:39:25,199
you should really go hold into a belief

2518
01:39:30,129 --> 01:39:27,659
on one night so much so much of this

2519
01:39:32,689 --> 01:39:30,139
stuff is speculation that yeah

2520
01:39:35,209 --> 01:39:32,699
but when you feel an entire I don't mind

2521
01:39:38,629 --> 01:39:35,219
you you have to feel if you if you only

2522
01:39:40,310 --> 01:39:38,639
have so much available data you have to

2523
01:39:42,350 --> 01:39:40,320
fill in the blank somewhat but if you're

2524
01:39:44,390 --> 01:39:42,360
writing whole books that is speculation

2525
01:39:46,669 --> 01:39:44,400
or fairy tales I'm really not interested

2526
01:39:49,550 --> 01:39:46,679
I don't think there's very much value in

2527
01:39:52,550 --> 01:39:49,560
that you know yeah yeah and that's the

2528
01:39:56,450 --> 01:39:52,560
you know a lot of UFO books these days

2529
01:39:59,330 --> 01:39:56,460
to be honest like I I don't read as many

2530
01:40:01,910 --> 01:39:59,340
new or UFO books because they're they're

2531
01:40:03,709 --> 01:40:01,920
all just either the same rehash stuff

2532
01:40:05,990 --> 01:40:03,719
it's they're not adding anything really

2533
01:40:09,110 --> 01:40:06,000
new to the discussion or they're just

2534
01:40:11,450 --> 01:40:09,120
Sensational stories like honestly some

2535
01:40:13,970 --> 01:40:11,460
of the better UFO related books I've

2536
01:40:16,189 --> 01:40:13,980
read in recent years are books that the

2537
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:16,199
UFO Community didn't even like like

2538
01:40:19,910 --> 01:40:18,239
Sarah skull's book they are here or

2539
01:40:21,229 --> 01:40:19,920
whatever like I thought that was a great

2540
01:40:24,410 --> 01:40:21,239
book like that was one of the better

2541
01:40:26,570 --> 01:40:24,420
books I'd read in years uh uh I tend to

2542
01:40:29,570 --> 01:40:26,580
read more like academic related

2543
01:40:31,729 --> 01:40:29,580
literature these days I'm not even

2544
01:40:34,430 --> 01:40:31,739
better off probably yeah eight years and

2545
01:40:36,890 --> 01:40:34,440
stuff I mean yeah I'm interested in even

2546
01:40:38,209 --> 01:40:36,900
the stories because you know that's one

2547
01:40:40,070 --> 01:40:38,219
of the ways you can look at this topic

2548
01:40:42,890 --> 01:40:40,080
by studying it from kind of like this

2549
01:40:45,649 --> 01:40:42,900
mythological or folklore you know aspect

2550
01:40:47,270 --> 01:40:45,659
to studying the stories and I think

2551
01:40:49,129 --> 01:40:47,280
that's perfectly valid one of my

2552
01:40:52,370 --> 01:40:49,139
favorite people on this topic is Eddie

2553
01:40:55,910 --> 01:40:52,380
Eddie Billard uh Thomas Millard who you

2554
01:40:58,729 --> 01:40:55,920
know did the the study that I helped get

2555
01:41:00,229 --> 01:40:58,739
released his uh big massive two-volume

2556
01:41:01,790 --> 01:41:00,239
measure of a mystery about the abduction

2557
01:41:03,610 --> 01:41:01,800
phenomenon

2558
01:41:07,850 --> 01:41:03,620
um that was kind of his dissertation

2559
01:41:09,649 --> 01:41:07,860
that uh I just released through uh Isaac

2560
01:41:12,050 --> 01:41:09,659
Coy a few months back he did a big

2561
01:41:14,510 --> 01:41:12,060
Airship studies big Airship files that I

2562
01:41:17,750 --> 01:41:14,520
put out uh Eddie's a folklorist at

2563
01:41:19,250 --> 01:41:17,760
Indiana a university and that's that's

2564
01:41:21,470 --> 01:41:19,260
another fascinating way to look at this

2565
01:41:22,850 --> 01:41:21,480
topic and it's one of the ways that you

2566
01:41:25,310 --> 01:41:22,860
know academics have looked at this topic

2567
01:41:26,870 --> 01:41:25,320
a lot of of people claim that you know

2568
01:41:29,270 --> 01:41:26,880
academics have never shown an interest

2569
01:41:30,770 --> 01:41:29,280
in this topic and well they they have it

2570
01:41:32,990 --> 01:41:30,780
just depends from a different

2571
01:41:35,209 --> 01:41:33,000
perspective though yeah right and if you

2572
01:41:37,490 --> 01:41:35,219
think about it the somebody who's an

2573
01:41:39,530 --> 01:41:37,500
expert in folklore would be excellent to

2574
01:41:41,930 --> 01:41:39,540
study this topic because so much of this

2575
01:41:44,870 --> 01:41:41,940
stuff is like its own mythology and

2576
01:41:47,330 --> 01:41:44,880
stories built on top of stories I always

2577
01:41:49,910 --> 01:41:47,340
love how the a lot of the stories build

2578
01:41:52,669 --> 01:41:49,920
on Roswell if you think about we've got

2579
01:41:55,070 --> 01:41:52,679
the Roswell Rock we've got the alien

2580
01:41:57,950 --> 01:41:55,080
autopsy video all of that was connected

2581
01:41:59,890 --> 01:41:57,960
Roswell slides it was all connected to

2582
01:42:02,990 --> 01:41:59,900
Roswell for a reason and that's because

2583
01:42:04,910 --> 01:42:03,000
the accepted mythology that people have

2584
01:42:06,830 --> 01:42:04,920
already accepted if you tie your story

2585
01:42:08,990 --> 01:42:06,840
into that people are more willing to

2586
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,000
give it a chance or believe it or you

2587
01:42:13,970 --> 01:42:11,520
know it's like building on accepted

2588
01:42:17,030 --> 01:42:13,980
mythology to create new mythology so a

2589
01:42:19,729 --> 01:42:17,040
folklore is to me is a perfect person to

2590
01:42:21,830 --> 01:42:19,739
tackle it from that angle yeah and

2591
01:42:23,750 --> 01:42:21,840
that's you know that's uh one of the

2592
01:42:24,890 --> 01:42:23,760
things if you actually step the history

2593
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:24,900
of this topic

2594
01:42:29,930 --> 01:42:27,360
is that you can actually start to see

2595
01:42:31,850 --> 01:42:29,940
the evolving you know mythology the the

2596
01:42:34,609 --> 01:42:31,860
UFO Mythos and how it's kind of just

2597
01:42:36,229 --> 01:42:34,619
been built up like over time if people

2598
01:42:38,990 --> 01:42:36,239
are interested specifically in the

2599
01:42:40,910 --> 01:42:39,000
mythology of Roswell uh there's a really

2600
01:42:42,890 --> 01:42:40,920
good book uh forget the first couple

2601
01:42:44,990 --> 01:42:42,900
words was the the genus of a myth I

2602
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:45,000
think it's by a guy named Ziegler and it

2603
01:42:49,310 --> 01:42:47,040
talks about all the different you know

2604
01:42:51,290 --> 01:42:49,320
Roswell narratives over time like how

2605
01:42:53,629 --> 01:42:51,300
they change how things were built and

2606
01:42:56,209 --> 01:42:53,639
added to it over time and you see this

2607
01:42:58,370 --> 01:42:56,219
in all sorts of you know UFO stories and

2608
01:43:00,830 --> 01:42:58,380
narratives a lot of this stuff goes back

2609
01:43:04,070 --> 01:43:00,840
a long time it even goes back before

2610
01:43:07,070 --> 01:43:04,080
modern ufology you know there's the

2611
01:43:09,590 --> 01:43:07,080
whole occult aspect of ufology those

2612
01:43:11,810 --> 01:43:09,600
guys yeah Jack Parsons and stuff right

2613
01:43:13,850 --> 01:43:11,820
yeah either ships with people like Mead

2614
01:43:17,330 --> 01:43:13,860
Lane like Riley crab the borderline

2615
01:43:19,129 --> 01:43:17,340
science uh Research Institute uh all

2616
01:43:21,770 --> 01:43:19,139
these medium-like people like Mark

2617
01:43:24,830 --> 01:43:21,780
Probert you know uh way back in the day

2618
01:43:27,050 --> 01:43:24,840
before you know even 1947.

2619
01:43:29,209 --> 01:43:27,060
uh the same thing holds true with a lot

2620
01:43:30,890 --> 01:43:29,219
of you know the studio archaeological

2621
01:43:32,629 --> 01:43:30,900
stuff that I'm also interested in you

2622
01:43:36,910 --> 01:43:32,639
know like ancient alien stuff man behind

2623
01:43:38,890 --> 01:43:36,920
[\h__\h] nonsense like a lot of that stuff

2624
01:43:42,050 --> 01:43:38,900
new ideas

2625
01:43:44,450 --> 01:43:42,060
right about some things though but like

2626
01:43:47,870 --> 01:43:44,460
you know I think he gets a little out

2627
01:43:50,149 --> 01:43:47,880
there sometimes but yeah it's worth

2628
01:43:52,910 --> 01:43:50,159
watching or listening or reading some of

2629
01:43:56,330 --> 01:43:52,920
his theories at least though I think but

2630
01:43:59,689 --> 01:43:56,340
yeah that stuff is interesting to me but

2631
01:44:01,430 --> 01:43:59,699
all of it is not original or new it goes

2632
01:44:02,870 --> 01:44:01,440
no it's ancient Mysteries that people

2633
01:44:05,750 --> 01:44:02,880
have been talking about forever right

2634
01:44:07,970 --> 01:44:05,760
yeah and like if people want to know

2635
01:44:10,070 --> 01:44:07,980
about kind of some of the more 19th

2636
01:44:12,229 --> 01:44:10,080
century and original kind of sources for

2637
01:44:14,689 --> 01:44:12,239
a lot of that kind of narrative uh

2638
01:44:16,609 --> 01:44:14,699
there's a great guy John hupps you know

2639
01:44:18,890 --> 01:44:16,619
Graham Hancock has called him that is

2640
01:44:20,750 --> 01:44:18,900
like you know the basically kind of his

2641
01:44:23,030 --> 01:44:20,760
worst enemy you know uh and kind of

2642
01:44:25,430 --> 01:44:23,040
debunking his claims and whatnot uh he

2643
01:44:27,229 --> 01:44:25,440
just did a podcast two weeks ago and

2644
01:44:29,209 --> 01:44:27,239
various Skeptics that's kind of all

2645
01:44:31,609 --> 01:44:29,219
about the old 19th century occult

2646
01:44:33,649 --> 01:44:31,619
literature and places that these modern

2647
01:44:36,649 --> 01:44:33,659
narratives were built on and the same

2648
01:44:39,050 --> 01:44:36,659
thing is true for ufology because a lot

2649
01:44:41,390 --> 01:44:39,060
of UFO topics really merges with like

2650
01:44:43,010 --> 01:44:41,400
you know you talk about Eric with Erica

2651
01:44:44,810 --> 01:44:43,020
this on that podcast with this these new

2652
01:44:46,430 --> 01:44:44,820
age Concepts like it's all just got

2653
01:44:48,669 --> 01:44:46,440
merged together like new age your

2654
01:44:51,350 --> 01:44:48,679
followers

2655
01:44:53,629 --> 01:44:51,360
it's all old stuff that just keeps

2656
01:44:56,930 --> 01:44:53,639
getting rehashed or changed a little bit

2657
01:44:59,090 --> 01:44:56,940
for a modern audience and and none of

2658
01:45:01,070 --> 01:44:59,100
it's actually new

2659
01:45:02,629 --> 01:45:01,080
yeah it's unfortunate and thank you

2660
01:45:04,669 --> 01:45:02,639
zizzix for the kind you judge five

2661
01:45:10,370 --> 01:45:04,679
dollars and also thank you for being a

2662
01:45:15,950 --> 01:45:13,609
there you go yeah and you know what I I

2663
01:45:16,790 --> 01:45:15,960
also wanted to ask you about some of the

2664
01:45:19,970 --> 01:45:16,800
latest

2665
01:45:22,430 --> 01:45:19,980
I guess we could call it hype and and

2666
01:45:24,050 --> 01:45:22,440
posturing there's an awful lot of people

2667
01:45:26,390 --> 01:45:24,060
talking about oh well they're gonna

2668
01:45:29,209 --> 01:45:26,400
there's people in Congress that are

2669
01:45:32,810 --> 01:45:29,219
being briefed and you know alien crash

2670
01:45:35,149 --> 01:45:32,820
retrievals and uh recovered flying

2671
01:45:37,030 --> 01:45:35,159
saucers and bodies and again these are

2672
01:45:40,250 --> 01:45:37,040
old stories that I think have been

2673
01:45:42,470 --> 01:45:40,260
recycled since at least the 80s and Lynn

2674
01:45:44,510 --> 01:45:42,480
stringfield's books which were which

2675
01:45:46,550 --> 01:45:44,520
were great books but largely Anonymous

2676
01:45:49,070 --> 01:45:46,560
sources he wouldn't name his sources so

2677
01:45:51,470 --> 01:45:49,080
nobody could check and but now there

2678
01:45:54,649 --> 01:45:51,480
seems to be this narrative being pushed

2679
01:45:57,649 --> 01:45:54,659
that first of all that there is alien

2680
01:46:00,229 --> 01:45:57,659
crash retrievals uh of CR of alien

2681
01:46:02,750 --> 01:46:00,239
spacecraft and we may have bodies and we

2682
01:46:05,149 --> 01:46:02,760
have recovered craft and that people are

2683
01:46:08,270 --> 01:46:05,159
being briefed about it in Congress but

2684
01:46:10,310 --> 01:46:08,280
it all seems very convenient to me that

2685
01:46:12,530 --> 01:46:10,320
none of these claims that people are

2686
01:46:15,470 --> 01:46:12,540
making can actually be verified in other

2687
01:46:17,870 --> 01:46:15,480
words they're not saying well

2688
01:46:19,669 --> 01:46:17,880
um this Senator and this Senator and

2689
01:46:21,950 --> 01:46:19,679
this Senator had a briefing last week

2690
01:46:24,290 --> 01:46:21,960
from this person this person and this

2691
01:46:26,209 --> 01:46:24,300
person who are whistleblowers and came

2692
01:46:29,870 --> 01:46:26,219
forward about the alien cross retrievals

2693
01:46:32,689 --> 01:46:29,880
it's all very vague and very trust me

2694
01:46:34,129 --> 01:46:32,699
dude trust me bro stories yeah so I

2695
01:46:36,050 --> 01:46:34,139
wonder what you think about these

2696
01:46:38,390 --> 01:46:36,060
narratives that are being pushed by some

2697
01:46:41,030 --> 01:46:38,400
of these people who all of which have a

2698
01:46:43,370 --> 01:46:41,040
profit motive Ross coldtharts pushing

2699
01:46:45,050 --> 01:46:43,380
this Jeremy Corbell and George Napper

2700
01:46:48,109 --> 01:46:45,060
pushing this we have this Liberation

2701
01:46:50,510 --> 01:46:48,119
times [\h__\h] rag I would not wipe my ass

2702
01:46:52,129 --> 01:46:50,520
with it's not a journalist it's not

2703
01:46:55,550 --> 01:46:52,139
journalism

2704
01:46:57,590 --> 01:46:55,560
but this is the narrative ER for Korbel

2705
01:46:59,450 --> 01:46:57,600
and the disclosure crowd like that's

2706
01:47:01,310 --> 01:46:59,460
always this is the narrative being

2707
01:47:03,470 --> 01:47:01,320
pushed though so I wonder what you think

2708
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,480
are are we really going to see something

2709
01:47:08,330 --> 01:47:05,600
like that or is this just more

2710
01:47:11,209 --> 01:47:08,340
disclosure porn for the True Believers

2711
01:47:12,649 --> 01:47:11,219
yeah okay I mean so I'll start off by

2712
01:47:15,109 --> 01:47:12,659
saying I would love it that was true

2713
01:47:17,950 --> 01:47:15,119
like me too I would make the world so

2714
01:47:23,810 --> 01:47:20,750
but again I don't think it's actually

2715
01:47:25,669 --> 01:47:23,820
based on anything like I think there's a

2716
01:47:27,950 --> 01:47:25,679
lot of people that there's a lot of

2717
01:47:29,570 --> 01:47:27,960
people now that are powerful people like

2718
01:47:31,550 --> 01:47:29,580
you know like Chris melon and people

2719
01:47:33,530 --> 01:47:31,560
that had careers like even like Lozano

2720
01:47:35,810 --> 01:47:33,540
that that have heard their own stories

2721
01:47:38,510 --> 01:47:35,820
probably from the UFO literature itself

2722
01:47:40,189 --> 01:47:38,520
and there and people conflating that

2723
01:47:41,810 --> 01:47:40,199
with actually being like that they have

2724
01:47:44,750 --> 01:47:41,820
evidence that there actually are sauces

2725
01:47:46,790 --> 01:47:44,760
and crashes you know I'll point out uh

2726
01:47:49,250 --> 01:47:46,800
uh that Canadian guy that was Minister

2727
01:47:52,070 --> 01:47:49,260
of Defense what was his name Paula Paul

2728
01:47:53,930 --> 01:47:52,080
uh kind of what's the guy's name anyways

2729
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:53,940
when when he came out saying you're like

2730
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:55,920
Roswell is real there's crash losses all

2731
01:47:59,930 --> 01:47:58,260
that stuff and vice is an article like

2732
01:48:03,109 --> 01:47:59,940
one of the most you know powerful

2733
01:48:05,149 --> 01:48:03,119
defense people like in you know in the

2734
01:48:06,830 --> 01:48:05,159
all of Canada has said that this does

2735
01:48:08,390 --> 01:48:06,840
true but you dig down to where he got

2736
01:48:10,370 --> 01:48:08,400
those ideas from it's because his

2737
01:48:13,070 --> 01:48:10,380
grandson gave him a copy of Phil Corso's

2738
01:48:15,350 --> 01:48:13,080
book and the guy went on a UFO binge uh

2739
01:48:18,290 --> 01:48:15,360
yeah no I absolutely agree with you on

2740
01:48:20,450 --> 01:48:18,300
that and you you and then also he had

2741
01:48:22,430 --> 01:48:20,460
this mistake and he really did have this

2742
01:48:25,310 --> 01:48:22,440
mistaken belief that if it was in a book

2743
01:48:27,770 --> 01:48:25,320
it was true so then after that book

2744
01:48:30,050 --> 01:48:27,780
every book he read about UFOs or aliens

2745
01:48:32,990 --> 01:48:30,060
he just took as a hundred percent gospel

2746
01:48:35,090 --> 01:48:33,000
this was all true and that's really a

2747
01:48:38,270 --> 01:48:35,100
problematic place to be and I get that

2748
01:48:40,729 --> 01:48:38,280
he was you know had a a position of

2749
01:48:43,550 --> 01:48:40,739
authority but that doesn't mean that he

2750
01:48:46,370 --> 01:48:43,560
was right and and his and his whole

2751
01:48:48,109 --> 01:48:46,380
approach seemed to be like he just

2752
01:48:51,050 --> 01:48:48,119
jumped right in and believed everything

2753
01:48:53,390 --> 01:48:51,060
he read if it was in a book and that's

2754
01:48:55,310 --> 01:48:53,400
what's going on now with a lot of these

2755
01:48:57,649 --> 01:48:55,320
people is that you've got

2756
01:48:59,570 --> 01:48:57,659
all these people that are in positions

2757
01:49:02,090 --> 01:48:59,580
of Authority or have some Sway With like

2758
01:49:03,649 --> 01:49:02,100
say people in Congress and the stories

2759
01:49:05,510 --> 01:49:03,659
they're telling are just that stories

2760
01:49:07,729 --> 01:49:05,520
that probably came from the UFO

2761
01:49:10,189 --> 01:49:07,739
community and the UFO Mythos itself like

2762
01:49:13,010 --> 01:49:10,199
I've seen no evidence that there's

2763
01:49:15,709 --> 01:49:13,020
actual anybody has proof that these

2764
01:49:18,470 --> 01:49:15,719
programs exist that we're gonna see

2765
01:49:20,570 --> 01:49:18,480
crashes or that there's aliens or that

2766
01:49:24,229 --> 01:49:20,580
they're telling Congress about this it's

2767
01:49:25,550 --> 01:49:24,239
all again Anonymous stories and there is

2768
01:49:28,910 --> 01:49:25,560
there's

2769
01:49:30,530 --> 01:49:28,920
proof there is you know in history that

2770
01:49:32,030 --> 01:49:30,540
Congress can look into all sorts of

2771
01:49:33,649 --> 01:49:32,040
crazy things just based on belief

2772
01:49:35,470 --> 01:49:33,659
systems they look for they have the CIA

2773
01:49:37,850 --> 01:49:35,480
look for Noah's Ark because a bunch of

2774
01:49:39,470 --> 01:49:37,860
Evangelical Christians you know thought

2775
01:49:42,590 --> 01:49:39,480
Noah Clark was on a mountain somewhere

2776
01:49:45,050 --> 01:49:42,600
like belief people's beliefs absolutely

2777
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,060
can motivate Congress to do various

2778
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:47,520
things and to say various things and

2779
01:49:51,590 --> 01:49:49,440
people conflate I think a lot of the

2780
01:49:54,830 --> 01:49:51,600
personal beliefs that a lot of these

2781
01:49:57,770 --> 01:49:54,840
people have with there being actual

2782
01:50:00,169 --> 01:49:57,780
evidence for those beliefs and I would

2783
01:50:01,910 --> 01:50:00,179
be happy to be wrong about that but I

2784
01:50:03,709 --> 01:50:01,920
don't think they're basing any of that

2785
01:50:05,330 --> 01:50:03,719
on actual evidence it's just more

2786
01:50:07,250 --> 01:50:05,340
stories that people are telling third

2787
01:50:09,530 --> 01:50:07,260
yeah and I wonder like what are they

2788
01:50:11,450 --> 01:50:09,540
going to say two years from now when

2789
01:50:14,629 --> 01:50:11,460
people remember that they claimed all

2790
01:50:16,189 --> 01:50:14,639
that and and we get nothing no just

2791
01:50:18,050 --> 01:50:16,199
passed it like they do on everything

2792
01:50:20,810 --> 01:50:18,060
else yeah and come up with new fake

2793
01:50:22,910 --> 01:50:20,820
stories and hope that you forgot I

2794
01:50:25,550 --> 01:50:22,920
forgot the other one I mean I think you

2795
01:50:28,490 --> 01:50:25,560
can explain this I know having this

2796
01:50:30,590 --> 01:50:28,500
spend a lot of money like just on books

2797
01:50:32,930 --> 01:50:30,600
and research materials and traveling to

2798
01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:32,940
interview people but did you want to

2799
01:50:38,629 --> 01:50:36,719
explain you said over 100k and you mean

2800
01:50:41,270 --> 01:50:38,639
over like a long period of time though

2801
01:50:44,030 --> 01:50:41,280
right right well you know I will point

2802
01:50:45,950 --> 01:50:44,040
out that a lot a lot of the expense like

2803
01:50:48,350 --> 01:50:45,960
you said is travel it costs a lot of

2804
01:50:50,169 --> 01:50:48,360
money to travel around yeah you traveled

2805
01:50:53,229 --> 01:50:50,179
around for two years

2806
01:50:55,970 --> 01:50:53,239
investigating Bob Lazar alone

2807
01:50:58,310 --> 01:50:55,980
yeah tens and tens of thousands of miles

2808
01:51:00,649 --> 01:50:58,320
of driving you know staying in a hotel

2809
01:51:03,470 --> 01:51:00,659
like that adds up there's a lot of that

2810
01:51:06,169 --> 01:51:03,480
but I also buy a lot of material like I

2811
01:51:09,229 --> 01:51:06,179
obsessively buy material and books and

2812
01:51:11,689 --> 01:51:09,239
old stuff like I mean I've I've got so

2813
01:51:13,129 --> 01:51:11,699
much UFO stuff like I see what you post

2814
01:51:15,290 --> 01:51:13,139
and I know that you've got to have a

2815
01:51:16,910 --> 01:51:15,300
huge Library I can't even keep it all at

2816
01:51:20,090 --> 01:51:16,920
the house like I've got a storage unit

2817
01:51:21,709 --> 01:51:20,100
just like full of like old stuff like I

2818
01:51:24,229 --> 01:51:21,719
don't know you're another Michael Strat

2819
01:51:26,450 --> 01:51:24,239
did you know magazines from like the 60s

2820
01:51:30,050 --> 01:51:26,460
yeah Michael stratz like that he's got

2821
01:51:32,149 --> 01:51:30,060
three warehouses I I know from uh Alien

2822
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,159
scientists and and solar Marshall went

2823
01:51:37,970 --> 01:51:35,040
to visit him and he took them to one or

2824
01:51:41,390 --> 01:51:37,980
more of them he's just got like these

2825
01:51:44,990 --> 01:51:41,400
huge these huge warehouses full of every

2826
01:51:47,570 --> 01:51:45,000
kind of UFO cereal of reports from

2827
01:51:50,930 --> 01:51:47,580
organizations that no longer exist he

2828
01:51:53,030 --> 01:51:50,940
collects he collects all of it he's got

2829
01:51:55,070 --> 01:51:53,040
a mountain of it it can be expensive

2830
01:51:57,890 --> 01:51:55,080
collecting like original material from

2831
01:52:00,530 --> 01:51:57,900
50 60 years ago like sure yeah stuff

2832
01:52:01,970 --> 01:52:00,540
like it can add up like some sometimes

2833
01:52:03,890 --> 01:52:01,980
I'll post pictures of books in my

2834
01:52:05,629 --> 01:52:03,900
collection on Twitter and people like

2835
01:52:08,270 --> 01:52:05,639
well would you get that they want like

2836
01:52:11,930 --> 01:52:08,280
600 for that on Amazon like I'm like

2837
01:52:13,129 --> 01:52:11,940
really like I mean some stuff is uh you

2838
01:52:18,109 --> 01:52:13,139
know for example you know who Ray

2839
01:52:20,629 --> 01:52:18,119
Sanford is yes yeah right so uh he has

2840
01:52:22,609 --> 01:52:20,639
his book The Sakura saucer at the

2841
01:52:25,070 --> 01:52:22,619
Pentagon pantry

2842
01:52:27,229 --> 01:52:25,080
so they were at uh UFO Congress a couple

2843
01:52:29,030 --> 01:52:27,239
years ago I bought out his entire

2844
01:52:30,830 --> 01:52:29,040
collection of those autographed books

2845
01:52:32,450 --> 01:52:30,840
for a few thousand dollars you know like

2846
01:52:34,370 --> 01:52:32,460
I'll spend money I've spent money

2847
01:52:37,310 --> 01:52:34,380
ridiculous money on ridiculous things

2848
01:52:39,109 --> 01:52:37,320
like over the years uh you don't have to

2849
01:52:40,370 --> 01:52:39,119
spend a lot of money to serious piece of

2850
01:52:42,109 --> 01:52:40,380
this topic fortunately more and more

2851
01:52:43,250 --> 01:52:42,119
stuff's getting put online and that's

2852
01:52:45,290 --> 01:52:43,260
actually one of the things I'm most

2853
01:52:47,090 --> 01:52:45,300
passionate about is the digitizing And

2854
01:52:48,410 --> 01:52:47,100
archiving The material so that it can be

2855
01:52:50,270 --> 01:52:48,420
shared

2856
01:52:52,129 --> 01:52:50,280
um and that's something I got you know

2857
01:52:54,350 --> 01:52:52,139
really into you know five or six years

2858
01:52:56,270 --> 01:52:54,360
ago yeah I think Erica Loops is into

2859
01:52:58,189 --> 01:52:56,280
that too right like she runs around and

2860
01:53:00,430 --> 01:52:58,199
tries to collect it when somebody dies

2861
01:53:03,050 --> 01:53:00,440
their material or their research

2862
01:53:05,870 --> 01:53:03,060
archives which is great to preserve it

2863
01:53:08,209 --> 01:53:05,880
for future research and and future

2864
01:53:10,970 --> 01:53:08,219
Generations I think that's a good effort

2865
01:53:12,770 --> 01:53:10,980
because not everybody you know has the

2866
01:53:15,470 --> 01:53:12,780
the resources of the time to travel

2867
01:53:17,330 --> 01:53:15,480
around the various archives and or even

2868
01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:17,340
the opportunity like there's a lot of

2869
01:53:21,709 --> 01:53:19,679
archives that unless you're a serious

2870
01:53:23,050 --> 01:53:21,719
researcher like you might not even get

2871
01:53:25,010 --> 01:53:23,060
into because

2872
01:53:26,689 --> 01:53:25,020
archivists are very careful about

2873
01:53:28,310 --> 01:53:26,699
preserving the material they don't want

2874
01:53:30,229 --> 01:53:28,320
people's grubby hands getting all over

2875
01:53:32,629 --> 01:53:30,239
it messing with it things going missing

2876
01:53:34,250 --> 01:53:32,639
and fortunately through the people I've

2877
01:53:36,709 --> 01:53:34,260
met you know I've been able to do things

2878
01:53:39,350 --> 01:53:36,719
like spend time like at Mike swords

2879
01:53:41,570 --> 01:53:39,360
house scanning yeah and that's a good

2880
01:53:43,310 --> 01:53:41,580
resource to have like occasionally

2881
01:53:44,750 --> 01:53:43,320
people will ask me like oh can I borrow

2882
01:53:46,910 --> 01:53:44,760
some of your books and I just don't do

2883
01:53:49,010 --> 01:53:46,920
it anymore because I I really will get

2884
01:53:52,910 --> 01:53:49,020
them back or I gotta beg for them back

2885
01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:52,920
or like no I'm like here oh you know I

2886
01:53:57,050 --> 01:53:55,199
buy multiple copies of books all the

2887
01:53:58,850 --> 01:53:57,060
time like I might have two or three

2888
01:54:01,790 --> 01:53:58,860
copies of an old book already and if I

2889
01:54:04,430 --> 01:54:01,800
see someone selling it at like you go to

2890
01:54:05,930 --> 01:54:04,440
like a used bookstore yeah or even a

2891
01:54:07,490 --> 01:54:05,940
local move-on meeting a lot of times

2892
01:54:09,169 --> 01:54:07,500
like somebody will die and their family

2893
01:54:10,189 --> 01:54:09,179
member has no interest in UFOs and so

2894
01:54:12,109 --> 01:54:10,199
they'll try and get rid of all these

2895
01:54:13,970 --> 01:54:12,119
books and so you can pick up stuff on

2896
01:54:16,010 --> 01:54:13,980
deals and I'll end up giving those books

2897
01:54:17,810 --> 01:54:16,020
out to people like you know friends or

2898
01:54:20,450 --> 01:54:17,820
people that are interested in the topic

2899
01:54:22,550 --> 01:54:20,460
just because I yeah I gave away most of

2900
01:54:23,330 --> 01:54:22,560
my books when I moved three years ago I

2901
01:54:25,850 --> 01:54:23,340
just

2902
01:54:28,430 --> 01:54:25,860
I had to move two kids two two kids

2903
01:54:30,229 --> 01:54:28,440
worth of toys that was 10 van loads you

2904
01:54:34,129 --> 01:54:30,239
know like I just did not have I gave

2905
01:54:35,629 --> 01:54:34,139
away so much stuff before I moved now I

2906
01:54:36,890 --> 01:54:35,639
wish I had some of it back because I

2907
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:36,900
just so happened to move into a house

2908
01:54:42,830 --> 01:54:38,639
with huge bookshelves along the whole

2909
01:54:45,470 --> 01:54:42,840
basement you know and then I went oh

2910
01:54:47,689 --> 01:54:45,480
so that's what I need my my place kind

2911
01:54:49,609 --> 01:54:47,699
of looks like like a mad professor's

2912
01:54:52,250 --> 01:54:49,619
office from an old movie like I've got

2913
01:54:53,950 --> 01:54:52,260
like stacks of like papers like four

2914
01:54:56,870 --> 01:54:53,960
feet tall like around

2915
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:56,880
like naps back office did you see ever

2916
01:55:01,010 --> 01:54:59,280
see him in podcasts it looks like his

2917
01:55:02,570 --> 01:55:01,020
wife only gives him like one room and a

2918
01:55:04,910 --> 01:55:02,580
house for all his junk and it's all

2919
01:55:06,830 --> 01:55:04,920
piled up behind him like as high as this

2920
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:06,840
way like if you've ever seen Stanton

2921
01:55:11,570 --> 01:55:09,119
Friedman you know oh yeah I have yeah

2922
01:55:13,070 --> 01:55:11,580
yeah you know and I understand his files

2923
01:55:14,870 --> 01:55:13,080
are just a complete disaster you know

2924
01:55:18,350 --> 01:55:14,880
things like everywhere you know I was

2925
01:55:20,149 --> 01:55:18,360
joking with uh oh that you know Shane

2926
01:55:22,209 --> 01:55:20,159
you know recently about how you know

2927
01:55:25,790 --> 01:55:22,219
none of us UFO guys tend to be all that

2928
01:55:29,570 --> 01:55:25,800
organized per se like oh absolutely yes

2929
01:55:31,729 --> 01:55:29,580
and you know we we can't all be you know

2930
01:55:34,729 --> 01:55:31,739
say Isaac Coy that guy's like an

2931
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:34,739
organized machine with the work ethic I

2932
01:55:41,330 --> 01:55:37,920
only wish I had but uh uh yeah a lot of

2933
01:55:43,189 --> 01:55:41,340
a lot of this stuff is just a mess but

2934
01:55:44,750 --> 01:55:43,199
so so much more and more has come in

2935
01:55:47,330 --> 01:55:44,760
online that you don't need to be able to

2936
01:55:49,729 --> 01:55:47,340
travel to places to like really dig into

2937
01:55:51,169 --> 01:55:49,739
this topic and it's important to

2938
01:55:53,390 --> 01:55:51,179
preserve that stuff and so that's kind

2939
01:55:55,729 --> 01:55:53,400
of what my passion is is preserving the

2940
01:55:58,490 --> 01:55:55,739
historical record and making sure this

2941
01:56:01,850 --> 01:55:58,500
material still exists because it's

2942
01:56:03,290 --> 01:56:01,860
tragic when you hear uh old researchers

2943
01:56:05,750 --> 01:56:03,300
dying and their collection is just

2944
01:56:07,790 --> 01:56:05,760
getting tossed or thrown away or it's

2945
01:56:09,770 --> 01:56:07,800
like that's just absolutely tragic like

2946
01:56:11,810 --> 01:56:09,780
yeah so that's why it's good that you

2947
01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:11,820
know people like Erica and others have

2948
01:56:16,250 --> 01:56:14,280
started collect people's collections the

2949
01:56:18,649 --> 01:56:16,260
problem here in the U.S is that we've

2950
01:56:22,250 --> 01:56:18,659
never before have something like the AFU

2951
01:56:24,470 --> 01:56:22,260
archives in Sweden which is I just I

2952
01:56:26,450 --> 01:56:24,480
just saw uh yeah I saw like a Twitter

2953
01:56:28,550 --> 01:56:26,460
post on that place and I went oh my God

2954
01:56:30,290 --> 01:56:28,560
I gotta go there someday yeah they just

2955
01:56:31,550 --> 01:56:30,300
have their 50th Anniversary a couple

2956
01:56:33,410 --> 01:56:31,560
days ago

2957
01:56:35,890 --> 01:56:33,420
um and that looks like quite a fun

2958
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:35,900
collection to peel to you know

2959
01:56:40,850 --> 01:56:39,119
in the world like Bar None like it's

2960
01:56:45,189 --> 01:56:40,860
they've got more stuff than probably

2961
01:56:50,270 --> 01:56:48,229
I would love to go there myself uh now

2962
01:56:53,629 --> 01:56:50,280
there's some like David marlers got his

2963
01:56:55,250 --> 01:56:53,639
new National UFO archive Center which is

2964
01:56:58,310 --> 01:56:55,260
starting to take some of the stuff here

2965
01:57:00,350 --> 01:56:58,320
in the U.S which is good because sadly a

2966
01:57:02,750 --> 01:57:00,360
lot of us UFO researchers in America

2967
01:57:04,310 --> 01:57:02,760
were sending this stuff over to Sweden

2968
01:57:05,870 --> 01:57:04,320
which means it would never be seen by

2969
01:57:07,970 --> 01:57:05,880
any of us here again unless we went over

2970
01:57:09,830 --> 01:57:07,980
to Sweden looked to it we needed a place

2971
01:57:12,229 --> 01:57:09,840
here in the U.S and I'm hoping David

2972
01:57:14,330 --> 01:57:12,239
Marley's place can do that the province

2973
01:57:16,970 --> 01:57:14,340
has always been money like there's not

2974
01:57:19,129 --> 01:57:16,980
money and yeah you're gonna need a big

2975
01:57:21,470 --> 01:57:19,139
Warehouse you're gonna need a big

2976
01:57:24,470 --> 01:57:21,480
warehouse to store it all and organize

2977
01:57:27,050 --> 01:57:24,480
it we need space you need a guide to the

2978
01:57:29,149 --> 01:57:27,060
archivist and that's kind of that's

2979
01:57:31,189 --> 01:57:29,159
that's honestly that's like my dream job

2980
01:57:33,470 --> 01:57:31,199
you know like I would totally love being

2981
01:57:35,089 --> 01:57:33,480
the archivist or the you know people say

2982
01:57:37,310 --> 01:57:35,099
I've got like an encyclopedic knowledge

2983
01:57:38,870 --> 01:57:37,320
of this topic and I know a lot but I

2984
01:57:40,790 --> 01:57:38,880
consider myself more like a

2985
01:57:43,010 --> 01:57:40,800
bibliographer or like a research

2986
01:57:44,930 --> 01:57:43,020
librarian like I may not know the

2987
01:57:46,430 --> 01:57:44,940
nitty-gritty details of every single

2988
01:57:50,950 --> 01:57:46,440
case but I can point you to where you

2989
01:57:53,330 --> 01:57:50,960
can read more about it yeah no sometimes

2990
01:57:55,370 --> 01:57:53,340
well and I'll be bugging you in the

2991
01:57:58,070 --> 01:57:55,380
future if I can't find a certain source

2992
01:58:00,530 --> 01:57:58,080
for something it's good to know you I

2993
01:58:02,390 --> 01:58:00,540
could you know get some get some places

2994
01:58:04,790 --> 01:58:02,400
to check right

2995
01:58:06,169 --> 01:58:04,800
yeah I uh somebody in the comments was

2996
01:58:08,689 --> 01:58:06,179
just saying do I know about the UFO

2997
01:58:10,970 --> 01:58:08,699
archives in Longview Washington library

2998
01:58:13,609 --> 01:58:10,980
I actually don't know about that that's

2999
01:58:16,750 --> 01:58:13,619
15 minutes from where I live so I would

3000
01:58:19,070 --> 01:58:16,760
actually like to go check that out yeah

3001
01:58:20,930 --> 01:58:19,080
especially if it's very very close to

3002
01:58:21,649 --> 01:58:20,940
you right yeah

3003
01:58:24,830 --> 01:58:21,659
um

3004
01:58:27,169 --> 01:58:24,840
but uh yeah yeah there's there's there's

3005
01:58:29,089 --> 01:58:27,179
money in this topic sadly it's just not

3006
01:58:31,850 --> 01:58:29,099
for the right things it's for the people

3007
01:58:35,629 --> 01:58:31,860
making silly documentaries and TV shows

3008
01:58:38,089 --> 01:58:35,639
and commodity nonsense uh uh it's uh

3009
01:58:40,070 --> 01:58:38,099
it's always been the key limiting factor

3010
01:58:42,770 --> 01:58:40,080
in UFO research particularly historical

3011
01:58:44,530 --> 01:58:42,780
research is getting the money to be able

3012
01:58:47,930 --> 01:58:44,540
to pay for places to store this stuff

3013
01:58:50,810 --> 01:58:47,940
digitizing it archiving it and so far

3014
01:58:52,490 --> 01:58:50,820
it's been down to you know just handfuls

3015
01:58:54,229 --> 01:58:52,500
of people dedicated people spending

3016
01:58:56,270 --> 01:58:54,239
their own time money and resources doing

3017
01:58:59,030 --> 01:58:56,280
it people like Barry Greenwood and like

3018
01:59:00,470 --> 01:58:59,040
Jan aldrick doing like the kufo scanning

3019
01:59:03,050 --> 01:59:00,480
project going through and scanning the

3020
01:59:04,910 --> 01:59:03,060
kufos files you know people like Mike

3021
01:59:08,330 --> 01:59:04,920
swords that paid to have his files

3022
01:59:10,129 --> 01:59:08,340
scanned which I use for my post all the

3023
01:59:13,010 --> 01:59:10,139
time it's like it's a great resource

3024
01:59:14,689 --> 01:59:13,020
that I'm fortunate to have access to and

3025
01:59:17,270 --> 01:59:14,699
I try and share as much as what I can

3026
01:59:19,250 --> 01:59:17,280
there's a lot of stuff I have that for

3027
01:59:21,229 --> 01:59:19,260
various privacy concerns I can't share

3028
01:59:23,510 --> 01:59:21,239
but I'm always trying to put documents

3029
01:59:25,550 --> 01:59:23,520
out there something I recently put out

3030
01:59:27,050 --> 01:59:25,560
about the whole hypothesis aspect of

3031
01:59:30,050 --> 01:59:27,060
this topic like what are these are these

3032
01:59:33,050 --> 01:59:30,060
demons are these et's are these is a a

3033
01:59:34,850 --> 01:59:33,060
book or a booklet maybe I guess we call

3034
01:59:38,149 --> 01:59:34,860
it that Jerome Clark wrote for the fund

3035
01:59:41,149 --> 01:59:38,159
for UFO research that's all about the

3036
01:59:43,490 --> 01:59:41,159
hypothesis about this topic and I put

3037
01:59:45,649 --> 01:59:43,500
that out on Twitter I try and put out as

3038
01:59:46,930 --> 01:59:45,659
much of these no I know I watch your

3039
01:59:49,310 --> 01:59:46,940
Twitter feed

3040
01:59:52,430 --> 01:59:49,320
especially when I'm getting discouraged

3041
01:59:54,050 --> 01:59:52,440
I I like that old some of this older

3042
01:59:56,570 --> 01:59:54,060
stuff that you post and the history

3043
02:00:00,109 --> 01:59:56,580
posts every day what happened in UFO

3044
02:00:03,070 --> 02:00:00,119
history on each day I was amazed to see

3045
02:00:05,570 --> 02:00:03,080
there was a lot more of it than even I

3046
02:00:07,310 --> 02:00:05,580
anticipated it because when I first

3047
02:00:08,209 --> 02:00:07,320
noticed you doing those Daily Posts I

3048
02:00:11,270 --> 02:00:08,219
went

3049
02:00:13,070 --> 02:00:11,280
does he do this every day you do right

3050
02:00:18,010 --> 02:00:13,080
every day there was something that

3051
02:00:23,149 --> 02:00:20,870
and some days I'll you know I don't even

3052
02:00:25,850 --> 02:00:23,159
just do one anymore like I'll do four

3053
02:00:28,129 --> 02:00:25,860
five six different cases for a day a lot

3054
02:00:31,850 --> 02:00:28,139
of the time yeah we want to make sure we

3055
02:00:34,189 --> 02:00:31,860
uh plug your Twitter it's at Mr Mr Jeff

3056
02:00:37,129 --> 02:00:34,199
Knox k-n-o-x

3057
02:00:40,570 --> 02:00:37,139
at Twitter uh and I'll just share my

3058
02:00:43,010 --> 02:00:40,580
screen so people can see samples my name

3059
02:00:45,470 --> 02:00:43,020
and look I don't follow many people

3060
02:00:47,930 --> 02:00:45,480
friends you can look I follow like a

3061
02:00:49,790 --> 02:00:47,940
hundred people or something or maybe 150

3062
02:00:51,589 --> 02:00:49,800
now I don't know I don't follow many

3063
02:00:54,350 --> 02:00:51,599
people because I don't like to fill up

3064
02:00:56,750 --> 02:00:54,360
my feed with garbage so every follow

3065
02:01:00,350 --> 02:00:56,760
that I do trust me if I'm following them

3066
02:01:03,890 --> 02:01:00,360
it's it's worthy and good information

3067
02:01:05,870 --> 02:01:03,900
um and also some humor as well please

3068
02:01:07,970 --> 02:01:05,880
don't send us any more unsolicited nude

3069
02:01:09,830 --> 02:01:07,980
pics with instructions on how to get to

3070
02:01:12,470 --> 02:01:09,840
your house it's creepy or that's from

3071
02:01:14,990 --> 02:01:12,480
Voyager right yeah and here's an example

3072
02:01:16,850 --> 02:01:15,000
of some of the of listen this is the

3073
02:01:18,830 --> 02:01:16,860
history that a lot of these people out

3074
02:01:21,050 --> 02:01:18,840
here are missing just some of the times

3075
02:01:23,750 --> 02:01:21,060
Congress was interested in UFOs had

3076
02:01:26,570 --> 02:01:23,760
hearings Etc and this is before the

3077
02:01:28,510 --> 02:01:26,580
major one in 1968. all those events were

3078
02:01:31,910 --> 02:01:28,520
far more in work than anything post

3079
02:01:34,189 --> 02:01:31,920
2017. even various panels had more

3080
02:01:36,589 --> 02:01:34,199
people and looked at more data than

3081
02:01:38,990 --> 02:01:36,599
current efforts and this was in reply

3082
02:01:41,870 --> 02:01:39,000
somebody was saying that oh we've never

3083
02:01:44,629 --> 02:01:41,880
this this interest in UFOs in Congress

3084
02:01:45,550 --> 02:01:44,639
it's unprecedented unprecedented never

3085
02:01:50,149 --> 02:01:45,560
happened

3086
02:01:52,129 --> 02:01:50,159
and and Mr Knox is there to go uh you

3087
02:01:54,709 --> 02:01:52,139
are incorrect sir and here is the

3088
02:01:57,109 --> 02:01:54,719
historical documents to prove that you

3089
02:01:58,729 --> 02:01:57,119
are incorrect a lost argument or

3090
02:02:01,450 --> 02:01:58,739
whatever I

3091
02:02:03,709 --> 02:02:01,460
and you know this document shows that

3092
02:02:05,750 --> 02:02:03,719
Congress has even had hearings where

3093
02:02:07,430 --> 02:02:05,760
they brought in Air Force witnesses to

3094
02:02:11,330 --> 02:02:07,440
talk to them about what they saw before

3095
02:02:12,950 --> 02:02:11,340
like in 1961 like you know well now

3096
02:02:14,510 --> 02:02:12,960
Congress is actually bringing in these

3097
02:02:16,370 --> 02:02:14,520
people to tell their stories like this

3098
02:02:17,530 --> 02:02:16,380
has never happened like but it has

3099
02:02:20,689 --> 02:02:17,540
happened

3100
02:02:23,149 --> 02:02:20,699
like multiple times like not only has it

3101
02:02:25,790 --> 02:02:23,159
happened here's the documents that only

3102
02:02:28,270 --> 02:02:25,800
probably four people in the universe

3103
02:02:30,830 --> 02:02:28,280
have to

3104
02:02:33,830 --> 02:02:30,840
that's why I like your posts because I'm

3105
02:02:36,050 --> 02:02:33,840
going like oh damn he got it look it's

3106
02:02:38,689 --> 02:02:36,060
from the Gerald R Ford Presidential

3107
02:02:42,229 --> 02:02:38,699
Library it's a news release and and it

3108
02:02:44,750 --> 02:02:42,239
100 supports his argument that this all

3109
02:02:47,209 --> 02:02:44,760
of this has happened before it'll all

3110
02:02:49,729 --> 02:02:47,219
happen again and we still get nothing

3111
02:02:52,609 --> 02:02:49,739
which is and people like so they say

3112
02:02:55,910 --> 02:02:52,619
like well when is Congress you know had

3113
02:02:58,490 --> 02:02:55,920
the dod study this topic as if you know

3114
02:03:00,589 --> 02:02:58,500
the military hasn't invested this topic

3115
02:03:02,689 --> 02:03:00,599
countless times before and you look at

3116
02:03:04,250 --> 02:03:02,699
the current effort like Arrow has such a

3117
02:03:06,169 --> 02:03:04,260
small budget they've got like what like

3118
02:03:08,149 --> 02:03:06,179
a single handful of people that work on

3119
02:03:10,070 --> 02:03:08,159
the project like that doesn't even

3120
02:03:11,689 --> 02:03:10,080
compare to some of the smaller just kind

3121
02:03:13,850 --> 02:03:11,699
of ad hoc committees that have been

3122
02:03:15,770 --> 02:03:13,860
happening in the past here's some more

3123
02:03:18,709 --> 02:03:15,780
great stuff that he posts engineering

3124
02:03:20,330 --> 02:03:18,719
flying saucers I have I love it when I

3125
02:03:23,390 --> 02:03:20,340
see stories of people that try to build

3126
02:03:25,189 --> 02:03:23,400
flying saucers in whatever form I just

3127
02:03:27,410 --> 02:03:25,199
I'm fat if I see somebody trying and I

3128
02:03:29,330 --> 02:03:27,420
gotta respect the effort and I will read

3129
02:03:32,030 --> 02:03:29,340
about every single person that's ever

3130
02:03:34,490 --> 02:03:32,040
tried this even the crackpots that never

3131
02:03:36,649 --> 02:03:34,500
got anywhere with it but got famous or

3132
02:03:38,990 --> 02:03:36,659
or a little bit internet famous from it

3133
02:03:40,609 --> 02:03:39,000
right and those were all Kurt Collins

3134
02:03:42,709 --> 02:03:40,619
articles because he does a really great

3135
02:03:45,890 --> 02:03:42,719
job digging into like these forgotten

3136
02:03:47,810 --> 02:03:45,900
stories of you know UFOs past where

3137
02:03:49,910 --> 02:03:47,820
times that the governments looked into

3138
02:03:52,790 --> 02:03:49,920
UFOs times companies have tried to

3139
02:03:54,229 --> 02:03:52,800
create flying saucers uh times you know

3140
02:03:56,570 --> 02:03:54,239
even just individuals try to create

3141
02:03:58,790 --> 02:03:56,580
their own flying saucers it's like it's

3142
02:04:00,350 --> 02:03:58,800
all very interesting and it's stuff that

3143
02:04:01,550 --> 02:04:00,360
a lot of people don't really like pay

3144
02:04:04,250 --> 02:04:01,560
attention to

3145
02:04:07,609 --> 02:04:04,260
and here's one of his today in UFO

3146
02:04:10,310 --> 02:04:07,619
history posts so you can see you know uh

3147
02:04:13,370 --> 02:04:10,320
look there was a UFO case on this day in

3148
02:04:16,010 --> 02:04:13,380
history but in 1966. this is the famous

3149
02:04:18,290 --> 02:04:16,020
one yeah the famous swamp gas case

3150
02:04:22,250 --> 02:04:18,300
that's where the swamp gas uh story

3151
02:04:24,589 --> 02:04:22,260
comes from and Jay Alan heineck there so

3152
02:04:26,629 --> 02:04:24,599
I I love the history of all this stuff

3153
02:04:29,870 --> 02:04:26,639
so I I'm glad that you're out there

3154
02:04:32,689 --> 02:04:29,880
posting this stuff you um and and here's

3155
02:04:35,030 --> 02:04:32,699
the other thing I will say is that Mr

3156
02:04:37,070 --> 02:04:35,040
Knox unlike most people is not at all

3157
02:04:39,050 --> 02:04:37,080
monetized that means he's not out here

3158
02:04:42,530 --> 02:04:39,060
trying to make money he's just genuinely

3159
02:04:44,629 --> 02:04:42,540
interested and uh and uh and uh you know

3160
02:04:47,510 --> 02:04:44,639
passionate about the subject this topic

3161
02:04:49,129 --> 02:04:47,520
it's history and all of it so give him a

3162
02:04:51,350 --> 02:04:49,139
follow on Twitter at the very least

3163
02:04:54,709 --> 02:04:51,360
let's get his followers up because it's

3164
02:04:57,290 --> 02:04:54,719
definitely a worthy follow to see I I

3165
02:04:59,330 --> 02:04:57,300
should start probably eight hours

3166
02:05:01,070 --> 02:04:59,340
collecting it may not seem like these

3167
02:05:03,530 --> 02:05:01,080
posts take a lot of time but a lot of it

3168
02:05:05,930 --> 02:05:03,540
is just going through the documents no

3169
02:05:09,189 --> 02:05:05,940
no they do take a lot of time Mr Knox

3170
02:05:16,310 --> 02:05:13,189
he is meticulous in his posts he's not

3171
02:05:20,089 --> 02:05:16,320
just throwing garbage everything is

3172
02:05:22,550 --> 02:05:20,099
sourced there's like yeah I always throw

3173
02:05:24,950 --> 02:05:22,560
this whole information into where God is

3174
02:05:26,990 --> 02:05:24,960
of course yeah he's an excellent follow

3175
02:05:29,030 --> 02:05:27,000
on Twitter and if that's all he's out

3176
02:05:30,950 --> 02:05:29,040
there doing is is posting excellent

3177
02:05:32,870 --> 02:05:30,960
stuff on Twitter it's a resource for all

3178
02:05:37,250 --> 02:05:32,880
of us that we should all appreciate give

3179
02:05:42,370 --> 02:05:37,260
them a follow it's Mr Jeff Knox m r j e

3180
02:05:44,149 --> 02:05:42,380
f f k n o x at

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02:05:45,830 --> 02:05:44,159
m-r-j-e-f-f-k-n-o-x we want to spell it

3182
02:05:48,609 --> 02:05:45,840
out for the benefit of our audio podcast

3183
02:05:51,169 --> 02:05:48,619
listeners go over there and follow him

3184
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:51,179
and and people know I don't follow a lot

3185
02:05:56,209 --> 02:05:54,000
of people so if I if I recommend it it's

3186
02:05:57,410 --> 02:05:56,219
it's really worthy of it and I want to

3187
02:05:58,669 --> 02:05:57,420
thank you for doing this tonight it's

3188
02:05:59,990 --> 02:05:58,679
been a long time coming we've been

3189
02:06:03,169 --> 02:06:00,000
talking about doing this for a while

3190
02:06:05,209 --> 02:06:03,179
yeah we were gonna do one on Bob Lazar

3191
02:06:07,669 --> 02:06:05,219
that we never got around to well I want

3192
02:06:10,250 --> 02:06:07,679
to tell you that I have decided Mr Knox

3193
02:06:12,589 --> 02:06:10,260
that I am tired of of arguing with

3194
02:06:15,470 --> 02:06:12,599
people or sending them 10 videos that I

3195
02:06:16,669 --> 02:06:15,480
did so I'm going to be working on a new

3196
02:06:18,709 --> 02:06:16,679
project where I'm going to put

3197
02:06:21,709 --> 02:06:18,719
everything in one video and I'm going to

3198
02:06:24,770 --> 02:06:21,719
make it as rapid fire quick for for

3199
02:06:27,589 --> 02:06:24,780
these shortest tension span people as

3200
02:06:31,070 --> 02:06:27,599
possible every data point I've collected

3201
02:06:32,510 --> 02:06:31,080
I've got a talk to Victor colliero I'm

3202
02:06:34,910 --> 02:06:32,520
going to talk to signals intelligence

3203
02:06:37,609 --> 02:06:34,920
we've got alien scientists probably in

3204
02:06:41,149 --> 02:06:37,619
on that project in solar Marshall uh Dan

3205
02:06:43,010 --> 02:06:41,159
who is just a an another Encyclopedia of

3206
02:06:45,290 --> 02:06:43,020
knowledge of specifically about Bob

3207
02:06:47,930 --> 02:06:45,300
Lazar he's been totally obsessed with

3208
02:06:49,609 --> 02:06:47,940
Bob Lazar as have like I I guess you

3209
02:06:52,510 --> 02:06:49,619
could say that about alien scientists

3210
02:06:55,850 --> 02:06:52,520
too but they're just like you and me

3211
02:06:58,310 --> 02:06:55,860
Dan big cart and Mike Strat did a lot of

3212
02:07:01,250 --> 02:06:58,320
work on Lazar yeah back when I was doing

3213
02:07:05,589 --> 02:07:01,260
it as well in fact yeah I'm hoping to

3214
02:07:09,290 --> 02:07:05,599
get us all together and all do one one

3215
02:07:11,870 --> 02:07:09,300
you know compiled concise video with

3216
02:07:13,790 --> 02:07:11,880
every data point about Bob Lazar that

3217
02:07:16,010 --> 02:07:13,800
was sort of left out of the narrative on

3218
02:07:17,270 --> 02:07:16,020
purpose and you know why they left those

3219
02:07:20,270 --> 02:07:17,280
points out

3220
02:07:22,490 --> 02:07:20,280
and then I just want it for my own

3221
02:07:24,410 --> 02:07:22,500
sanity so in the future if anybody

3222
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:24,420
argues with me about Bob Lazar I'm going

3223
02:07:28,070 --> 02:07:26,639
to go here's a link watch that and get

3224
02:07:29,689 --> 02:07:28,080
back to me let me know what you think

3225
02:07:31,850 --> 02:07:29,699
and then I'm done I don't have to go

3226
02:07:33,649 --> 02:07:31,860
here's one about his education here's a

3227
02:07:35,629 --> 02:07:33,659
link about the lie detector tests

3228
02:07:39,169 --> 02:07:35,639
because I've done some of this but in

3229
02:07:42,350 --> 02:07:39,179
all small bits you know or in a two hour

3230
02:07:44,209 --> 02:07:42,360
long rant show that people don't want to

3231
02:07:46,910 --> 02:07:44,219
sit through eight hours or four of those

3232
02:07:49,550 --> 02:07:46,920
so I gotta collect it all up but we're

3233
02:07:51,709 --> 02:07:49,560
gonna do it and produce it as as best as

3234
02:07:54,109 --> 02:07:51,719
we can and I'm going to call it Bob

3235
02:07:56,209 --> 02:07:54,119
Lazar the rest of the story

3236
02:07:58,490 --> 02:07:56,219
yeah and you and you know and I would

3237
02:08:00,350 --> 02:07:58,500
really appreciate your input because you

3238
02:08:02,870 --> 02:08:00,360
have stuff that these other guys didn't

3239
02:08:05,750 --> 02:08:02,880
find or I want everything we can

3240
02:08:07,250 --> 02:08:05,760
possibly put in there yeah in there you

3241
02:08:10,129 --> 02:08:07,260
know and I'd really appreciate your help

3242
02:08:12,649 --> 02:08:10,139
and input on that and uh it would be

3243
02:08:14,930 --> 02:08:12,659
awesome and then

3244
02:08:17,030 --> 02:08:14,940
you probably won't you know change a lot

3245
02:08:19,129 --> 02:08:17,040
of people's minds but you know that's

3246
02:08:20,810 --> 02:08:19,139
kind of thing like I I do my posts I put

3247
02:08:24,470 --> 02:08:20,820
a lot of time into it hardly anyone

3248
02:08:26,270 --> 02:08:24,480
actually reads my post but I figure if I

3249
02:08:28,070 --> 02:08:26,280
just if I just reach one or two people

3250
02:08:30,350 --> 02:08:28,080
then you know I've done my job you're

3251
02:08:31,970 --> 02:08:30,360
never going to convince everyone like a

3252
02:08:34,010 --> 02:08:31,980
lot of people aren't even interested in

3253
02:08:35,930 --> 02:08:34,020
changing their mind no but wouldn't it

3254
02:08:37,310 --> 02:08:35,940
be great for all of us out there and

3255
02:08:38,990 --> 02:08:37,320
help somebody hopefully something yeah

3256
02:08:41,390 --> 02:08:39,000
and would it be great for all of us to

3257
02:08:43,970 --> 02:08:41,400
just have that one video on YouTube or

3258
02:08:46,910 --> 02:08:43,980
wherever that we can all say when

3259
02:08:48,709 --> 02:08:46,920
somebody argues with us like if you uh

3260
02:08:50,510 --> 02:08:48,719
if you're still convinced after watching

3261
02:08:52,910 --> 02:08:50,520
this video I can't help you good luck

3262
02:08:54,589 --> 02:08:52,920
here's the link and now you're done I

3263
02:08:56,629 --> 02:08:54,599
point them to Tomah huge website because

3264
02:08:58,430 --> 02:08:56,639
that guy debunked lizar in the 90s I

3265
02:09:00,109 --> 02:08:58,440
mean come on yeah yeah I'm gonna talk to

3266
02:09:02,390 --> 02:09:00,119
him as well try to get an interview but

3267
02:09:04,910 --> 02:09:02,400
I'm I'm trying to I'm going to try to

3268
02:09:07,790 --> 02:09:04,920
keep this thing to like an hour or 90

3269
02:09:10,870 --> 02:09:07,800
minutes at Max but everybody come in and

3270
02:09:13,430 --> 02:09:10,880
just rapid fire like here's what we got

3271
02:09:16,790 --> 02:09:13,440
and you know because everybody attention

3272
02:09:19,370 --> 02:09:16,800
span but I figure if the if korbel's

3273
02:09:21,950 --> 02:09:19,380
video was 90 minutes R should be two

3274
02:09:23,570 --> 02:09:21,960
because we I could fill hours and hours

3275
02:09:25,669 --> 02:09:23,580
and hours it just depends on how it's

3276
02:09:28,310 --> 02:09:25,679
done but I want to make it as quick and

3277
02:09:30,770 --> 02:09:28,320
concise as we can so that people will

3278
02:09:32,689 --> 02:09:30,780
watch it and you're right I don't really

3279
02:09:35,209 --> 02:09:32,699
care if I'm not I'm not trying to change

3280
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:35,219
everybody's mind but I just want the the

3281
02:09:39,109 --> 02:09:36,960
other half of the story that was

3282
02:09:41,450 --> 02:09:39,119
purposefully left out

3283
02:09:43,250 --> 02:09:41,460
to sell the story the other half should

3284
02:09:44,510 --> 02:09:43,260
be available for people to see and I

3285
02:09:46,189 --> 02:09:44,520
don't care if I make money I'm probably

3286
02:09:48,950 --> 02:09:46,199
gonna just put on YouTube the whole

3287
02:09:50,390 --> 02:09:48,960
video you know none of that matters all

3288
02:09:52,270 --> 02:09:50,400
that matters is he worked on alien

3289
02:09:54,410 --> 02:09:52,280
spaceships

3290
02:09:56,750 --> 02:09:54,420
yeah I don't really care about the money

3291
02:09:59,030 --> 02:09:56,760
from that project if anybody wants to uh

3292
02:10:02,450 --> 02:09:59,040
to split the YouTube ad pennies I'll

3293
02:10:04,910 --> 02:10:02,460
agree to that you know here you get 27

3294
02:10:06,770 --> 02:10:04,920
cents congratulations thanks for your

3295
02:10:10,010 --> 02:10:06,780
help you know

3296
02:10:13,010 --> 02:10:10,020
yeah yeah well I thank you for joining

3297
02:10:14,689 --> 02:10:13,020
us and we're gonna uh listen I want you

3298
02:10:16,370 --> 02:10:14,699
to come back maybe but we'll do a show

3299
02:10:18,709 --> 02:10:16,380
just on Bob Lazar and I can just save

3300
02:10:21,050 --> 02:10:18,719
portions of it for the bigger project or

3301
02:10:23,750 --> 02:10:21,060
or whatever I'd love to hear what you

3302
02:10:25,010 --> 02:10:23,760
did in total on Bob Lazar I would love

3303
02:10:28,970 --> 02:10:25,020
to hear it and so would our audience

3304
02:10:30,890 --> 02:10:28,980
here yeah and I as far as those are like

3305
02:10:32,750 --> 02:10:30,900
people really should follow signals

3306
02:10:34,490 --> 02:10:32,760
intelligence like he's he's actually

3307
02:10:36,350 --> 02:10:34,500
getting guys on the record like when I

3308
02:10:38,030 --> 02:10:36,360
did my research like I had trouble

3309
02:10:39,709 --> 02:10:38,040
getting on the record yeah people didn't

3310
02:10:41,270 --> 02:10:39,719
want to go on the record and so like I

3311
02:10:43,669 --> 02:10:41,280
could never really put out any of that

3312
02:10:45,470 --> 02:10:43,679
stuff and he's actually got people to go

3313
02:10:47,770 --> 02:10:45,480
on the record some people that I even

3314
02:10:50,209 --> 02:10:47,780
talk to you and people that I did me too

3315
02:10:51,770 --> 02:10:50,219
he he's uh I talked to a couple of

3316
02:10:53,570 --> 02:10:51,780
people that he talked to who were like

3317
02:10:55,250 --> 02:10:53,580
Oh no you're not putting this out on the

3318
02:10:56,629 --> 02:10:55,260
Internet or yeah I don't wanna and I'm

3319
02:10:57,589 --> 02:10:56,639
like all right well then tell me off the

3320
02:10:59,689 --> 02:10:57,599
Record

3321
02:11:02,030 --> 02:10:59,699
answer a few questions off the record I

3322
02:11:03,649 --> 02:11:02,040
promise you I won't and yeah but somehow

3323
02:11:05,750 --> 02:11:03,659
he got the maybe they changed her mind

3324
02:11:07,189 --> 02:11:05,760
after enough people contacted them they

3325
02:11:09,169 --> 02:11:07,199
maybe they said there is enough interest

3326
02:11:11,149 --> 02:11:09,179
and I have this knowledge I should share

3327
02:11:13,850 --> 02:11:11,159
it who knows I'm just glad he's out

3328
02:11:15,950 --> 02:11:13,860
there I'm glad he's doing the best work

3329
02:11:17,270 --> 02:11:15,960
on lazara these days yeah yeah

3330
02:11:18,709 --> 02:11:17,280
absolutely

3331
02:11:21,530 --> 02:11:18,719
all right well we're going to throw you

3332
02:11:23,570 --> 02:11:21,540
on out of here back to uh we we thank

3333
02:11:25,430 --> 02:11:23,580
you for for joining us what a great

3334
02:11:28,129 --> 02:11:25,440
conversation don't be a stranger there

3335
02:11:29,689 --> 02:11:28,139
Mr Knox all right good night

3336
02:11:31,669 --> 02:11:29,699
all right friends we're a good

3337
02:11:33,649 --> 02:11:31,679
conversation see that's what we I would

3338
02:11:35,209 --> 02:11:33,659
like to get back to when we do

3339
02:11:38,629 --> 02:11:35,219
interviews here I would like to get back

3340
02:11:42,709 --> 02:11:38,639
to just good conversations right and and

3341
02:11:45,649 --> 02:11:42,719
uh and and ones that we can all enjoy

3342
02:11:48,350 --> 02:11:45,659
and and just take you guys with me for

3343
02:11:51,410 --> 02:11:48,360
these we've had some strange technical

3344
02:11:53,629 --> 02:11:51,420
problems tonight our Rumble uh live

3345
02:11:55,790 --> 02:11:53,639
stream borked somehow

3346
02:11:58,550 --> 02:11:55,800
and uh there's a problem with the other

3347
02:12:01,850 --> 02:11:58,560
with the rest of the live stream because

3348
02:12:03,530 --> 02:12:01,860
I know I was seeing almost no viewers

3349
02:12:05,930 --> 02:12:03,540
here but it looks like there's a problem

3350
02:12:08,209 --> 02:12:05,940
with stream yard and it's not

3351
02:12:11,089 --> 02:12:08,219
aggregating all the views I can look and

3352
02:12:13,910 --> 02:12:11,099
see that it's just like any normal night

3353
02:12:17,050 --> 02:12:13,920
we had 20 something on Rumble and

3354
02:12:22,010 --> 02:12:17,060
moreover on Twitch and

3355
02:12:23,629 --> 02:12:22,020
115 or something on or 120 on YouTube so

3356
02:12:25,430 --> 02:12:23,639
I don't know why it's not aggregating

3357
02:12:26,209 --> 02:12:25,440
the numbers

3358
02:12:29,689 --> 02:12:26,219
um

3359
02:12:32,510 --> 02:12:29,699
I do have to remind you that we are a

3360
02:12:34,070 --> 02:12:32,520
viewer supported show and uh it is

3361
02:12:35,689 --> 02:12:34,080
through the kindness generosity and

3362
02:12:39,350 --> 02:12:35,699
support of all you kind and generous

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02:12:42,229 --> 02:12:39,360
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3364
02:12:45,589 --> 02:12:42,239
um the this content and we want to thank

3365
02:12:48,229 --> 02:12:45,599
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02:12:50,689 --> 02:12:48,239
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3367
02:12:52,490 --> 02:12:50,699
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3368
02:12:55,910 --> 02:12:52,500
contributes to the show and makes it

3369
02:12:59,089 --> 02:12:55,920
possible we follow a sort of PBS model

3370
02:13:00,709 --> 02:12:59,099
which is that if we produce good content

3371
02:13:02,930 --> 02:13:00,719
and people appreciate it they will throw

3372
02:13:06,229 --> 02:13:02,940
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3373
02:13:07,850 --> 02:13:06,239
and so far this this has worked I also

3374
02:13:09,890 --> 02:13:07,860
want to remind you I'm wearing a blank

3375
02:13:12,050 --> 02:13:09,900
one tonight I forgot to wear a shirt

3376
02:13:13,910 --> 02:13:12,060
today I'm a terrible salesperson but

3377
02:13:16,490 --> 02:13:13,920
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3378
02:13:20,030 --> 02:13:16,500
seekers in the description of the video

3379
02:13:21,950 --> 02:13:20,040
uh and here's Ian the show is not over I

3380
02:13:23,689 --> 02:13:21,960
always have to I always have to put that

3381
02:13:26,689 --> 02:13:23,699
Banner on people think when they see the

3382
02:13:28,209 --> 02:13:26,699
bumpers that were done but I still have

3383
02:13:30,950 --> 02:13:28,219
a little bit of time to share with you

3384
02:13:34,790 --> 02:13:30,960
for uh comments and questions from the

3385
02:13:36,350 --> 02:13:34,800
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3386
02:13:41,930 --> 02:13:36,360
do that one second let me put this

3387
02:13:46,370 --> 02:13:43,910
the show is not over and we're going to

3388
02:13:48,050 --> 02:13:46,380
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02:13:50,510 --> 02:13:48,060
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02:13:59,510 --> 02:13:56,639
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3393
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3394
02:14:05,149 --> 02:14:01,199
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3395
02:14:07,370 --> 02:14:05,159
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02:14:15,609 --> 02:14:13,020
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02:18:04,610 --> 02:18:02,629
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02:18:11,810 --> 02:18:09,540
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02:18:16,849 --> 02:18:13,559
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02:18:18,469 --> 02:18:16,859
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02:18:21,049 --> 02:18:18,479
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02:18:24,530 --> 02:18:21,059
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02:18:26,870 --> 02:18:24,540
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02:18:28,730 --> 02:18:26,880
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3477
02:18:46,549 --> 02:18:44,340
thank all of our kind and generous

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02:18:50,110 --> 02:18:46,559
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3479
02:18:55,490 --> 02:18:52,509
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3480
02:18:58,129 --> 02:18:55,500
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3481
02:18:59,870 --> 02:18:58,139
for your generosity praise the cash

3482
02:19:01,760 --> 02:18:59,880
crazy cash

3483
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:01,770
foreign

3484
02:19:12,410 --> 02:19:08,629
so we'll take some comments and

3485
02:19:14,990 --> 02:19:12,420
questions from the live chat uh

3486
02:19:16,730 --> 02:19:15,000
oh listen to that new film for Stephen

3487
02:19:18,709 --> 02:19:16,740
cambian's a dark place coming up in

3488
02:19:20,929 --> 02:19:18,719
three hours you know you can't release

3489
02:19:22,910 --> 02:19:20,939
that music yet right

3490
02:19:25,790 --> 02:19:22,920
you can release one song or something

3491
02:19:27,589 --> 02:19:25,800
but not the whole album did you do

3492
02:19:31,610 --> 02:19:27,599
something for the whole album

3493
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,620
uh uh I'll talk to you off air and for

3494
02:19:36,290 --> 02:19:33,120
those that have asked I'm still waiting

3495
02:19:39,830 --> 02:19:36,300
on uh I'm still waiting on some time to

3496
02:19:43,370 --> 02:19:39,840
do uh or figure out the artwork for the

3497
02:19:46,190 --> 02:19:43,380
audio album that will be available uh

3498
02:19:47,929 --> 02:19:46,200
relatively soon I'm going to stop saying

3499
02:19:49,910 --> 02:19:47,939
when it will be available because a few

3500
02:19:53,210 --> 02:19:49,920
weeks ago I said it'll be available in

3501
02:19:55,130 --> 02:19:53,220
two weeks and we missed that Mark and uh

3502
02:19:57,530 --> 02:19:55,140
you know this is the nature of the Beast

3503
02:20:02,690 --> 02:19:57,540
being a creative person

3504
02:20:07,690 --> 02:20:04,969
yeah that's what I'm saying you can't

3505
02:20:10,690 --> 02:20:07,700
just release the album on YouTube

3506
02:20:16,969 --> 02:20:10,700
you know you can't do that

3507
02:20:23,389 --> 02:20:19,370
or spooky thinks that's funny yeah there

3508
02:20:24,469 --> 02:20:23,399
goes my iTunes sales right uh yeah and

3509
02:20:25,429 --> 02:20:24,479
by the way

3510
02:20:27,950 --> 02:20:25,439
um

3511
02:20:31,370 --> 02:20:27,960
I do have one you can do that with Mr

3512
02:20:34,190 --> 02:20:31,380
Ian I do have two other out three other

3513
02:20:37,010 --> 02:20:34,200
albums you can do that with and put it

3514
02:20:39,889 --> 02:20:37,020
out whenever you want uh

3515
02:20:42,110 --> 02:20:39,899
yeah but not that not the the latest

3516
02:20:46,730 --> 02:20:42,120
album that one's supposed to be iTunes

3517
02:20:49,070 --> 02:20:46,740
only or So the plan was before I let you

3518
02:20:52,429 --> 02:20:49,080
have a copy and now he's putting out on

3519
02:20:54,410 --> 02:20:52,439
YouTube I think or I hope not I don't

3520
02:20:55,969 --> 02:20:54,420
know so questions or comments for me

3521
02:20:59,330 --> 02:20:55,979
please put them in all capital letters

3522
02:21:01,969 --> 02:20:59,340
uh otherwise uh I it is date night with

3523
02:21:04,309 --> 02:21:01,979
my wife and uh you fellas in the chat

3524
02:21:07,370 --> 02:21:04,319
know what that means so uh I I don't

3525
02:21:08,809 --> 02:21:07,380
have a lot more time to share I I gotta

3526
02:21:11,270 --> 02:21:08,819
tell you that I

3527
02:21:13,250 --> 02:21:11,280
um had been talking to Mr Knox privately

3528
02:21:15,710 --> 02:21:13,260
I'm glad that that was our first real

3529
02:21:19,550 --> 02:21:15,720
conversation and I I'm real big on that

3530
02:21:21,290 --> 02:21:19,560
like uh bring you guys along with me uh

3531
02:21:23,929 --> 02:21:21,300
to talk to these other

3532
02:21:25,670 --> 02:21:23,939
uh well actually it's for Paragon reason

3533
02:21:27,530 --> 02:21:25,680
because I have three that I'm going to

3534
02:21:29,630 --> 02:21:27,540
put out for free and then I'm gonna say

3535
02:21:32,870 --> 02:21:29,640
if you like these three free albums

3536
02:21:35,090 --> 02:21:32,880
please buy the newest album on iTunes at

3537
02:21:40,130 --> 02:21:35,100
least that's the plan

3538
02:21:42,170 --> 02:21:40,140
um and you know like any grand plan this

3539
02:21:45,349 --> 02:21:42,180
sounded like a good idea

3540
02:21:48,410 --> 02:21:45,359
but then I realized that I did not have

3541
02:21:49,730 --> 02:21:48,420
uh Masters for each of the three that

3542
02:21:51,710 --> 02:21:49,740
were putting out

3543
02:21:52,370 --> 02:21:51,720
and I did not have

3544
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,380
um

3545
02:21:56,990 --> 02:21:54,720
artwork for so now instead of artwork

3546
02:21:58,969 --> 02:21:57,000
for one album and the artwork for four

3547
02:22:01,010 --> 02:21:58,979
but I'm speaking to a friend and we're

3548
02:22:03,349 --> 02:22:01,020
going to keep

3549
02:22:05,809 --> 02:22:03,359
we're gonna keep fighting the good fight

3550
02:22:08,030 --> 02:22:05,819
and we'll we'll get the projects uh the

3551
02:22:11,030 --> 02:22:08,040
audio project done

3552
02:22:14,150 --> 02:22:11,040
Carl Christopherson says hi keep up the

3553
02:22:15,950 --> 02:22:14,160
good work I'm from freed Sweden so see

3554
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:15,960
me as your friend or if you need an

3555
02:22:20,030 --> 02:22:18,000
agent I'm at your service Carl well

3556
02:22:22,730 --> 02:22:20,040
thank you Carl you could be our Swedish

3557
02:22:24,969 --> 02:22:22,740
uh representative in Sweden it's good to

3558
02:22:27,650 --> 02:22:24,979
see you there

3559
02:22:29,809 --> 02:22:27,660
for maybe last I'll buy the White Album

3560
02:22:31,790 --> 02:22:29,819
I might color code them that might make

3561
02:22:35,090 --> 02:22:31,800
it easier right

3562
02:22:36,530 --> 02:22:35,100
those those first three anyway and

3563
02:22:38,389 --> 02:22:36,540
Mario's is going to check it out

3564
02:22:39,950 --> 02:22:38,399
operation shutdown says good show

3565
02:22:41,929 --> 02:22:39,960
tonight but we understand you need to

3566
02:22:43,969 --> 02:22:41,939
end the show to get to date night yeah

3567
02:22:45,410 --> 02:22:43,979
and we haven't had one of those in a

3568
02:22:47,929 --> 02:22:45,420
long time because we have two children

3569
02:22:50,630 --> 02:22:47,939
who don't give us any free time together

3570
02:22:52,190 --> 02:22:50,640
so uh it's difficult you got to schedule

3571
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:52,200
these things

3572
02:22:55,969 --> 02:22:54,720
has anyone else seen Buckaroo Bonsai in

3573
02:22:57,830 --> 02:22:55,979
his adventures across the eighth

3574
02:22:59,929 --> 02:22:57,840
Dimension I did and I don't even know if

3575
02:23:01,550 --> 02:22:59,939
I understand it that I remember seeing

3576
02:23:03,290 --> 02:23:01,560
that as a kid it was only it was on

3577
02:23:05,389 --> 02:23:03,300
cable for like ever

3578
02:23:08,270 --> 02:23:05,399
and I like science fiction so I'm

3579
02:23:10,010 --> 02:23:08,280
probably watched that movie like a lot

3580
02:23:11,929 --> 02:23:10,020
but I still don't really quite

3581
02:23:14,510 --> 02:23:11,939
understand it right

3582
02:23:17,630 --> 02:23:14,520
that was a weird one that was definitely

3583
02:23:20,690 --> 02:23:17,640
a weird one yeah and it was a flop says

3584
02:23:21,950 --> 02:23:20,700
uh Mario's Tico yeah it was definitely a

3585
02:23:24,469 --> 02:23:21,960
flop

3586
02:23:26,870 --> 02:23:24,479
he was a rock star brain surgeon time

3587
02:23:28,849 --> 02:23:26,880
traveler all right well then that oh

3588
02:23:32,030 --> 02:23:28,859
certainly then that makes much more

3589
02:23:34,010 --> 02:23:32,040
sense right JD says Russ cold Thorpe

3590
02:23:36,469 --> 02:23:34,020
just announced the UFO control group is

3591
02:23:39,830 --> 02:23:36,479
me is named Group K and expects someone

3592
02:23:42,170 --> 02:23:39,840
in the Pentagon will have uh myocardial

3593
02:23:44,990 --> 02:23:42,180
infraction after hearing that said

3594
02:23:46,790 --> 02:23:45,000
publicly yeah he says a lot of things

3595
02:23:49,010 --> 02:23:46,800
but Ross cold third is a disgraced

3596
02:23:51,650 --> 02:23:49,020
journalist who got essentially laid off

3597
02:23:54,170 --> 02:23:51,660
or fired depending on who you ask from

3598
02:23:56,690 --> 02:23:54,180
60 Minutes Australia for putting out a

3599
02:23:58,730 --> 02:23:56,700
completely totally hyped up fake story

3600
02:23:59,630 --> 02:23:58,740
about pedophiles running the British

3601
02:24:02,510 --> 02:23:59,640
government

3602
02:24:04,610 --> 02:24:02,520
and um I don't trust anything that guy

3603
02:24:08,929 --> 02:24:04,620
says he's also been caught selling other

3604
02:24:13,490 --> 02:24:08,939
100 fake stories right anything for a

3605
02:24:14,929 --> 02:24:13,500
book apparently uh not not not really no

3606
02:24:16,910 --> 02:24:14,939
not really

3607
02:24:17,690 --> 02:24:16,920
no

3608
02:24:20,870 --> 02:24:17,700
um

3609
02:24:23,530 --> 02:24:20,880
yeah and uh

3610
02:24:28,190 --> 02:24:23,540
or there was something else oh uh

3611
02:24:30,469 --> 02:24:28,200
somebody uh commented to me today I once

3612
02:24:33,170 --> 02:24:30,479
had another YouTube channel and it was

3613
02:24:36,530 --> 02:24:33,180
just Stephen Canby and YouTube channel

3614
02:24:39,110 --> 02:24:36,540
and I nuked that channel uh well I

3615
02:24:40,190 --> 02:24:39,120
didn't nuke it I privated everything on

3616
02:24:42,950 --> 02:24:40,200
that channel

3617
02:24:45,110 --> 02:24:42,960
and the reasons for doing that are first

3618
02:24:47,990 --> 02:24:45,120
of all privacy some of those videos that

3619
02:24:50,090 --> 02:24:48,000
I released a long time ago were

3620
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:50,100
sort of my own

3621
02:24:54,650 --> 02:24:52,800
strange creative projects and you know

3622
02:24:56,630 --> 02:24:54,660
through the lens of time I don't really

3623
02:24:58,969 --> 02:24:56,640
want them out in the public anymore some

3624
02:25:01,790 --> 02:24:58,979
of them I want to keep them for myself

3625
02:25:04,610 --> 02:25:01,800
and the other issue was that all of the

3626
02:25:06,830 --> 02:25:04,620
Midnight Hour uh episodes which was my

3627
02:25:09,590 --> 02:25:06,840
first show my audio podcast which by the

3628
02:25:11,150 --> 02:25:09,600
way started in 2015.

3629
02:25:13,670 --> 02:25:11,160
um

3630
02:25:16,010 --> 02:25:13,680
those were available on my old YouTube

3631
02:25:21,290 --> 02:25:16,020
channel which is no longer really

3632
02:25:23,929 --> 02:25:21,300
uploaded to or monetized and so

3633
02:25:25,910 --> 02:25:23,939
the Midnight Hour show episodes are all

3634
02:25:27,830 --> 02:25:25,920
available here on our truth Seekers

3635
02:25:30,469 --> 02:25:27,840
Channel I didn't want them on that other

3636
02:25:33,349 --> 02:25:30,479
channel if they could be here earning ad

3637
02:25:34,849 --> 02:25:33,359
Revenue even though not not too many

3638
02:25:37,010 --> 02:25:34,859
people are tuning in to those anymore

3639
02:25:40,190 --> 02:25:37,020
but there are some incredible interviews

3640
02:25:41,809 --> 02:25:40,200
with people like uh Stanton Friedman and

3641
02:25:45,889 --> 02:25:41,819
and many others

3642
02:25:48,590 --> 02:25:45,899
and so uh I just decided to uh nuke that

3643
02:25:51,050 --> 02:25:48,600
channel and if people want any of the

3644
02:25:52,670 --> 02:25:51,060
Midnight Hour show episodes that were on

3645
02:25:56,690 --> 02:25:52,680
that channel they can come here for them

3646
02:25:59,570 --> 02:25:56,700
and if uh people want those old uh music

3647
02:26:02,090 --> 02:25:59,580
projects or personal artistic projects

3648
02:26:04,190 --> 02:26:02,100
film projects magic projects special

3649
02:26:06,230 --> 02:26:04,200
effects projects laser projects if

3650
02:26:08,809 --> 02:26:06,240
anybody really wants any of those old

3651
02:26:11,330 --> 02:26:08,819
videos email me and and I'll get you a

3652
02:26:12,490 --> 02:26:11,340
copy or post a copy somewhere but I'm

3653
02:26:15,469 --> 02:26:12,500
not going to be

3654
02:26:17,270 --> 02:26:15,479
maintaining that channel but it's a good

3655
02:26:19,429 --> 02:26:17,280
resource to have because just recently

3656
02:26:22,130 --> 02:26:19,439
somebody made some claims about when I

3657
02:26:23,690 --> 02:26:22,140
started my show because I mentioned on a

3658
02:26:25,429 --> 02:26:23,700
I mentioned on an interview that I

3659
02:26:28,190 --> 02:26:25,439
started my show in 2015 somebody

3660
02:26:30,290 --> 02:26:28,200
disputed that and I could go right to

3661
02:26:32,389 --> 02:26:30,300
the channel and look up the first

3662
02:26:33,950 --> 02:26:32,399
episode of The Midnight Hour

3663
02:26:36,230 --> 02:26:33,960
it was

3664
02:26:41,030 --> 02:26:36,240
um April of 20

3665
02:26:43,490 --> 02:26:41,040
2015 is when I started that show and we

3666
02:26:46,969 --> 02:26:43,500
want to thank Lady M for kind and

3667
02:26:48,889 --> 02:26:46,979
generous 999 is that British pounds I

3668
02:26:50,929 --> 02:26:48,899
always get those confused

3669
02:26:52,790 --> 02:26:50,939
I think so and thank you for your

3670
02:26:56,570 --> 02:26:52,800
kindness generosity and support and

3671
02:27:00,660 --> 02:26:56,580
helping us to praise the cash lady and

3672
02:27:08,510 --> 02:27:06,110
[Music]

3673
02:27:11,030 --> 02:27:08,520
very very kind of you thank you for your

3674
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:11,040
generosity and support of the show

3675
02:27:20,090 --> 02:27:17,510
operation shut down correctly pointing

3676
02:27:22,849 --> 02:27:20,100
out he was a rock star a brain surgeon

3677
02:27:25,190 --> 02:27:22,859
and a time traveler attention Ismail

3678
02:27:30,050 --> 02:27:25,200
Perez yeah sounds a little familiar

3679
02:27:31,849 --> 02:27:30,060
doesn't it right uh yeah Lady M says

3680
02:27:33,230 --> 02:27:31,859
it's so important go enjoy date night I

3681
02:27:35,389 --> 02:27:33,240
know I'm getting in trouble now because

3682
02:27:38,510 --> 02:27:35,399
she knows that I said I would be two

3683
02:27:40,969 --> 02:27:38,520
hours worth two 227 right now so I am

3684
02:27:45,410 --> 02:27:40,979
going to bounce on out of here Lady M I

3685
02:27:48,110 --> 02:27:45,420
gotta get my gotta get my bang on right

3686
02:27:50,090 --> 02:27:48,120
yeah no it's important especially if

3687
02:27:51,889 --> 02:27:50,100
you're married with Children I think

3688
02:27:53,990 --> 02:27:51,899
it's incredibly important you gotta have

3689
02:27:56,510 --> 02:27:54,000
date night you gotta and and like we

3690
02:27:58,550 --> 02:27:56,520
don't go out we don't go you know we

3691
02:28:00,770 --> 02:27:58,560
stay at home and just watch some movies

3692
02:28:02,929 --> 02:28:00,780
and and spend some time together and try

3693
02:28:04,490 --> 02:28:02,939
to catch up and connect it's so

3694
02:28:06,410 --> 02:28:04,500
important if you're married to do that

3695
02:28:08,450 --> 02:28:06,420
especially with children because

3696
02:28:10,790 --> 02:28:08,460
man since children it's all about them

3697
02:28:14,210 --> 02:28:10,800
right

3698
02:28:16,250 --> 02:28:14,220
uh as well it should be I suppose but we

3699
02:28:18,530 --> 02:28:16,260
both spend most of our time energy and

3700
02:28:21,889 --> 02:28:18,540
attention on the children and it's good

3701
02:28:24,530 --> 02:28:21,899
to reconnect just the two of us together

3702
02:28:27,170 --> 02:28:24,540
it's very good to do that

3703
02:28:30,590 --> 02:28:27,180
um and try to remain friends and work

3704
02:28:31,309 --> 02:28:30,600
together within the family and and you

3705
02:28:33,550 --> 02:28:31,319
know

3706
02:28:36,950 --> 02:28:33,560
I'm sure I'm gonna have some talk about

3707
02:28:40,969 --> 02:28:36,960
goals for this spring or something the

3708
02:28:42,190 --> 02:28:40,979
house projects and cabin projects and uh

3709
02:28:44,750 --> 02:28:42,200
you know

3710
02:28:47,090 --> 02:28:44,760
then Lizzie Borden this is getting a

3711
02:28:49,130 --> 02:28:47,100
little personal here this is getting a

3712
02:28:51,190 --> 02:28:49,140
little personal Thin Lizzie Borden but I

3713
02:28:54,110 --> 02:28:51,200
will yes

3714
02:28:55,790 --> 02:28:54,120
I should have said anything oh my God I

3715
02:28:58,250 --> 02:28:55,800
hope she's not checking in if I'm still

3716
02:29:02,830 --> 02:28:58,260
broadcasting and watching you guys are

3717
02:29:08,570 --> 02:29:06,230
Mr Ian that's gross right

3718
02:29:10,429 --> 02:29:08,580
he wants true Seekers brand shades with

3719
02:29:12,349 --> 02:29:10,439
true Seekers drawing one arm and put on

3720
02:29:19,550 --> 02:29:12,359
the damn glasses on the

3721
02:29:23,870 --> 02:29:21,950
yeah that would be cool all right well

3722
02:29:26,450 --> 02:29:23,880
we have done our due diligence tonight

3723
02:29:27,830 --> 02:29:26,460
we have uh brought a brand new guest on

3724
02:29:29,450 --> 02:29:27,840
and we haven't done that in quite some

3725
02:29:31,610 --> 02:29:29,460
time the brand new guests are always

3726
02:29:33,889 --> 02:29:31,620
little you never know what's going to

3727
02:29:35,870 --> 02:29:33,899
happen sometimes I do a brand new guest

3728
02:29:37,809 --> 02:29:35,880
and they have internet made by a potato

3729
02:29:40,550 --> 02:29:37,819
or you know

3730
02:29:43,550 --> 02:29:40,560
some kind of technical issues or

3731
02:29:46,670 --> 02:29:43,560
weirdness is going on so I'm I'm feeling

3732
02:29:48,950 --> 02:29:46,680
very relieved right now uh because you

3733
02:29:50,389 --> 02:29:48,960
know no major hassles there is something

3734
02:29:52,130 --> 02:29:50,399
weird going on right now with stream

3735
02:29:53,809 --> 02:29:52,140
yard it's not telling me how many live

3736
02:29:56,510 --> 02:29:53,819
viewers and at first I was like really

3737
02:29:58,190 --> 02:29:56,520
there's seven people here but that was a

3738
02:29:59,750 --> 02:29:58,200
half hour into the interview so I

3739
02:30:03,170 --> 02:29:59,760
checked on YouTube everything was fine

3740
02:30:05,870 --> 02:30:03,180
checked on Rumble the rumble livestream

3741
02:30:10,370 --> 02:30:05,880
got booked but don't worry uh you Rumble

3742
02:30:12,230 --> 02:30:10,380
folks Rumble Aggregates a video that

3743
02:30:13,849 --> 02:30:12,240
we've once the live stream finishes it

3744
02:30:15,590 --> 02:30:13,859
it'll copy the YouTube video and

3745
02:30:17,389 --> 02:30:15,600
normally I delete that and leave the

3746
02:30:18,889 --> 02:30:17,399
first one but now I'll delete the first

3747
02:30:22,130 --> 02:30:18,899
one and leave the second one it'll be

3748
02:30:24,290 --> 02:30:22,140
there shortly after we end our broadcast

3749
02:30:26,450 --> 02:30:24,300
also a final bit of business uh someone

3750
02:30:28,969 --> 02:30:26,460
correctly pointed out new audio podcast

3751
02:30:30,950 --> 02:30:28,979
people are on the ball that I'm a few

3752
02:30:34,610 --> 02:30:30,960
days behind I will be uploading those

3753
02:30:36,710 --> 02:30:34,620
later tonight as well as a few extras so

3754
02:30:39,830 --> 02:30:36,720
we'll be all caught up again on the

3755
02:30:41,990 --> 02:30:39,840
audio podcast probably by 2 A.M Eastern

3756
02:30:45,290 --> 02:30:42,000
Standard Time

3757
02:30:53,809 --> 02:30:49,730
uh Yeah by 2 A.M eastern Time or 3 A.M

3758
02:30:55,010 --> 02:30:53,819
uh sometime tonight will be all updated

3759
02:30:56,450 --> 02:30:55,020
right

3760
02:30:59,090 --> 02:30:56,460
uh

3761
02:31:01,730 --> 02:30:59,100
make her your time boss to get off of

3762
02:31:03,469 --> 02:31:01,740
YouTube yeah and spooky reminding

3763
02:31:05,690 --> 02:31:03,479
everybody to hit the like button please

3764
02:31:06,290 --> 02:31:05,700
yes absolutely

3765
02:31:07,550 --> 02:31:06,300
um

3766
02:31:11,210 --> 02:31:07,560
yeah

3767
02:31:14,090 --> 02:31:11,220
so my old YouTube channel is nuked and

3768
02:31:16,429 --> 02:31:14,100
uh you know it's my decision if you want

3769
02:31:18,170 --> 02:31:16,439
any of it anybody here is only probably

3770
02:31:19,910 --> 02:31:18,180
interested in those Midnight Hour show

3771
02:31:21,530 --> 02:31:19,920
episodes they're all here just go to the

3772
02:31:23,870 --> 02:31:21,540
search bar on our main Channel and put

3773
02:31:26,809 --> 02:31:23,880
Midnight Hour you'll see every one of

3774
02:31:29,210 --> 02:31:26,819
those old episodes that I privated from

3775
02:31:30,410 --> 02:31:29,220
my old Channel they're all here uh I

3776
02:31:33,670 --> 02:31:30,420
just think it's best if they're

3777
02:31:35,870 --> 02:31:33,680
everything that I do is on one channel

3778
02:31:38,270 --> 02:31:35,880
but I may use that channel for something

3779
02:31:39,950 --> 02:31:38,280
else we'll see so the audio podcast is

3780
02:31:41,929 --> 02:31:39,960
getting updated the tech issues are

3781
02:31:45,110 --> 02:31:41,939
mostly resolved we think but now we've

3782
02:31:46,429 --> 02:31:45,120
got new ones see Gremlins get in you

3783
02:31:48,530 --> 02:31:46,439
know and he gets some of the Gremlins

3784
02:31:50,270 --> 02:31:48,540
out but then you get new Gremlins we'll

3785
02:31:53,150 --> 02:31:50,280
work on it we'll be back tomorrow night

3786
02:31:55,610 --> 02:31:53,160
9 p.m Eastern Standard Time

3787
02:31:57,950 --> 02:31:55,620
uh we've got a bunch of we've got

3788
02:32:00,590 --> 02:31:57,960
several great shows left for the week

3789
02:32:03,230 --> 02:32:00,600
for you and uh hopefully I'll be

3790
02:32:05,210 --> 02:32:03,240
catching up on some other things uh so

3791
02:32:07,550 --> 02:32:05,220
there'll be some extra bonus shows not

3792
02:32:10,550 --> 02:32:07,560
sure when those will be maybe 2 A.M

3793
02:32:12,290 --> 02:32:10,560
maybe 2 p.m eastern time maybe 2 A.M

3794
02:32:14,690 --> 02:32:12,300
eastern time

3795
02:32:16,790 --> 02:32:14,700
um but I did find a couple more of those

3796
02:32:19,250 --> 02:32:16,800
Bob Lazar Radio Show episodes that I'd

3797
02:32:21,950 --> 02:32:19,260
like to do a show on each of them and

3798
02:32:24,710 --> 02:32:21,960
we've got a show on AI taking over your

3799
02:32:25,969 --> 02:32:24,720
life and all kinds of extra goodies for

3800
02:32:28,070 --> 02:32:25,979
this week

3801
02:32:30,230 --> 02:32:28,080
so but we've done our due diligence

3802
02:32:31,610 --> 02:32:30,240
that's all I've got for you friends we

3803
02:32:34,429 --> 02:32:31,620
want to thank all of you kind and

3804
02:32:37,730 --> 02:32:34,439
generous benefactors uh we definitely

3805
02:32:40,429 --> 02:32:37,740
want to thank our guest tonight Mr Jeff

3806
02:32:44,030 --> 02:32:40,439
Knox he really is a walking Encyclopedia

3807
02:32:46,250 --> 02:32:44,040
of UFO knowledge and uh I for one am

3808
02:32:51,650 --> 02:32:46,260
glad to know him please do follow him on

3809
02:32:54,710 --> 02:32:51,660
Twitter it's at m r j e f f k n o x

3810
02:32:56,570 --> 02:32:54,720
oh and we want to thank

3811
02:32:59,570 --> 02:32:56,580
uh

3812
02:33:03,950 --> 02:32:59,580
we want to thank Sweet Caroline for a

3813
02:33:05,809 --> 02:33:03,960
Kind and Generous 20 PayPal pledge nice

3814
02:33:07,670 --> 02:33:05,819
little thing on the way out says great

3815
02:33:11,170 --> 02:33:07,680
show tonight like always really enjoyed

3816
02:33:14,630 --> 02:33:11,180
the video you shared last night too

3817
02:33:19,929 --> 02:33:16,910
great perspective from a veteran who

3818
02:33:23,150 --> 02:33:19,939
knows Elizondo is full of [\h__\h]

3819
02:33:25,309 --> 02:33:23,160
all-knowing remote viewing Elizondo ha

3820
02:33:27,230 --> 02:33:25,319
Sweet Caroline kind and generous 20

3821
02:33:29,450 --> 02:33:27,240
PayPal pledge thank you for your

3822
02:33:31,070 --> 02:33:29,460
kindness your generosity and your

3823
02:33:34,790 --> 02:33:31,080
support long time show support of Sweet

3824
02:33:35,870 --> 02:33:34,800
Caroline we're glad that you're back we

3825
02:33:37,610 --> 02:33:35,880
missed you

3826
02:33:38,809 --> 02:33:37,620
all right friends that's all I got for

3827
02:33:40,550 --> 02:33:38,819
you

3828
02:33:42,710 --> 02:33:40,560
um we'll be back tomorrow night 9 p.m

3829
02:33:44,929 --> 02:33:42,720
Eastern Standard Time until next time

3830
02:33:49,960 --> 02:33:44,939
friends my name is Stephen Camby and

3831
02:34:51,270 --> 02:34:48,969
[Music]

3832
02:35:10,620 --> 02:34:51,280
thank you

3833
02:35:28,210 --> 02:35:10,630
[Applause]

3834
02:35:29,290 --> 02:35:28,220
[Music]